The Reverse Funnel System: Hype? Scam? Big internet money maker?
- By Anne Moss Rogers
- Published 10/11/2007
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Anne Moss Rogers
I've been writing targeted copy for over 2 decades across all media. For the last 17 years, I've been a copywriter as well as a branding and marketing consultant. Articles I write are usually based on something scientific like my latest whim. Sports Med Website , AnneMoss.com and Webprepro Blog
View all articles by Anne Moss RogersWell it's a cool catch phrase for one. In a nutshell , it's a funnel affiliate system with a pyramid style business model. The top tier of The Reverse Funnel System rakes it in and the bottom tiers are a ways downstream and their cuts are smaller. You move up by recruiting and getting others to buy into the business model.
You set up a web site, get people to use your web site as a portal for signing up for a membership at Global Resorts Network, a travel-based membership club. Does it provide a great travel service? I'm not sure because so far I can only locate the key phrases stamped and repeated from different mouthpieces within the system who are trying to get sign ups and therefore make money. But it's may very well be legit and offer great value. But I do have to wonder how it could be a great deal with people getting a cut five tiers down (although it's small at that lower level).
But travel is all about cutting deals. There's actually a lot I don't know about the site but trust me, there will be comments posted. But it does remind me of pyramid systems of the past where people stop you in a store to sell you on they system and not the products. In this case the advertising, that you pay for of course, does that selling part for you and they have proven ads and marketing streams that you get as a member.
They claim it's completely automated but there is still someone behind you encouraging you to take the first step, then the next, then the next. The money is in the sign ups. I'm sure there are group heads that are more attentive and still others who won't even talk to the lower tiers as they are out to get new sign ups since that's where the big bucks lie. Some will coach you and others will abandon you in an effort to chase down new recruits although some will tell you that their recruits getting new recruits moves them up the chain which is true. It all depends on how long that person wants to be in it and what his/her goals are.
How come a millionaire has a web site that looks like it was developed by a kindergartner?
First of all, The Reverse Funnel System was developed by an entrepreneur named Ty Coughlin. He's apparently a millionaire which he no doubt is since he invented the system and he is the top tier of the "inner circle". His web site at present shows him in Hawaii with a lap top on a lounge chair. To be honest, the sensationalist style of the prose and the site turns me off but I was curious. But it's meant to hook those looking to make money on the internet and pull down the storied $10,000 per month and doesn't require education or any background other than being a go getter/recruiter.
Why would someone so rich have a web site done by himself that looks put together in a day?. If you hire great copywriters and top level programmers why put up a site that has not one lick of design sense or navigation know how? What happened to the web designers? Were they surfing? Not important you say? I can tell you it is an important element although pretty web site is not THE DEFINING one but the look of the site doesn't say to me that he is a credible "entrepreneur". But then it was designed to hook a certain type person.
The branding of the Reverse Funnel System
They've gotten good placement on the internet because they are using some of the same key phrases to dispel misgivings and promote The Reverse Funnel System. I have these listed in my blog. It's always been true when copy writing radio spots to repeat certain phrases a certain number of times so the consumer leaves with one with a consistent message about your business. In today's language, "branding".
As a copywriter, I noticed this right off the bat just like I noticed President Bush's rah rah speech to get all Americans on board to go to Iraq. We were sold a war in the same way someone would sell Coca Cola--by repeating key branding tag line phrases like "weapons of mass destruction" after so many beats. That much has stayed the same the entire time I've been in the advertising copy writing business. Present a consistent message over and over to develop a brand, get your foothold in the market, develop loyalty and name recognition.
There is almost a stepford wife consistency that knocks nonconformists like myself right off this kind of track. It may work for you and you are bathing in money, but I've never been a fan of pyramid setups and the aggressive recruiting style. There are new elements, though, from the old style ones where strangers came up and shook your hand so they could get your phone number and call you later.
Many in the system have finessed their approach to be less aggressive and more informational but always hitting that key visceral emotional response of "I want this to be true and I want to make $10,000 per month."Ironically, the new hard sell is a more subtle approach.
So what are the costs?
- Naturally, they don't tell you about the initial up front costs up front. You pay a $50 fee to send in an application. You are promised to get that fee back threefold. After you've invested the rest? Do you get that travel membership investment back? I doubt that. You bought a membership in a great travel club and you get benefits, right?
- There is a $200-$300 per month for a web site. I can do my own web site and hosting for $100 a year but apparently you have to be in the "system" since there are advantages for trafficking. I think the advantage is the trickle down effect and commission cuts on that per month charge to be quite frank. The money is in getting members to join the Inner Circle. It's incentive to keep recruiting.
- There is a price tag of $2995 for a Platinum membership to the Travel Club . There are other levels of membership that are less costly including a free affiliate membership that ends up costing about $100 from what I can surmise. The big sell is for the Platinum membership but in order to not lose a recruit they have the other options.
- There are advertising expenses around $200-$300 per month. At least that's what I can see at this point. It's already produced, tested and I'm sure that is the case. But at some point, you'd have to change it up to get the new biz buzz and web traffic happening since the market is getting saturated daily. If you do procter and gamble style for years you end up having to run media like crazy (very costly) when in fact a change in creative approach would work and you'd have to pay less in media costs because it's not the same tired message.
- So in order to recoup, you have to get others to sign up for the system. And most people will do that aggressively to get their investment back and make money. The initial recruiter who wants his recruits to get others to sign up so he can move up will be more attentive.
- Sure you have to invest to make money. But are you investing in something really tangible? I guess it is if what you want is great deals on travel maybe.
What registered on my bullsh*t meter?
- They hired $20,000 a page copywriters. Really? I am a copywriter and I can tell you that we don't make $20k per page on anything. And there isn't some special copywriter in the Cayman Islands cranking out $20k pages between his coral reef diving sessions either. I do well enough and have had some lucrative years but it's from hard work and creativity. Internet advertising pays the least. And I've done this 20+ years across all media including the internet.
- They claim "it's all automated" and they've removed the human element. Well, they have people on forums talking it up that resemble shills in their key phrase approach and consistent mantra. Sell, sell, sell, recruit, recruit, recruit. They do sort of let it sneak up on you and they offer enough to pique curiosity for sure--the new "subtle hard-sell approach". So there is a recruiting warpath that you have to keep up to drive traffic to your web site so you can get sign ups and you can make money. The advertising and the new member of the inner circle clicking the button is your goal. A human has to be the tide pushing you.
- The fact that they rarely mention the product and the one goal they have is to get you to sign up. This just bugs me. The product is so very secondary.
- It's boring. Promote, promote, promote, recruit, recruit, recruit, advertise, advertise, advertise. It may work, it may make money and eventually big bucks before the system peters out. Now people have gotten creative and developed products within the system but you'd better think and produce QUICK because there are people joining and trying to develop marketing systems for sale so fast your head will spin. You may gain insightful marketing knowledge but spending even two hours on social networks is beyond boring for this writer and anything formula gets old quick with me. But that's my personality.
- With people joining in droves you have to get them to sign up THROUGH YOUR WEBSITE which means eventually the market will be saturated and some poor slob who joined at the wrong time will lose when the top tiers have decided this idea has run its course and find greener pastures. So maybe the time to join is now? Or maybe it's already saturated? You're not going to find out those numbers.
This pyramid style internet marketing system may be for you but it's good to know everything up front if you're going to make an investment.
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269 Responses to "The Reverse Funnel System: Hype? Scam? Big internet money maker?" 
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 1:56:15 PM EDT
Hi Anne,
Based on your article I would have to say you have very little to absolutely no experience in the home based business industry. You make judgments based on the fact that something "bugs you" well then guess what, it's not for you. Perhaps I should fill you in however that there are MILLIONS of people struggling to make money in the home based business industry. On top of that, there are MILLIONS struggling to make money online. But these are all scams right? There can't actually be legitimate home based businesses is what most people like you and others say would come out criticizing businesses yet not really knowing much about them at all. Business revolves around selling products. That's not a tough one to figure out. in the past, the direct sales industry REQUIRED human intervention in order to sell high ticket products and receive high ticket commissions. The reverse funnel system as far as I know is the first system to effectively sell these products completely automated, without needing to get on the phone and close prospects. Do you have to market your business? Of course you do. Thats what business is all about. Marketing and advertising. And with the reverse funnel system thats all you have to do. 50% of everything is done for you...meaning the offer is crafted so you can drive targeted prospects to the offer and have your business built for you. Posts like yours come from a completely un educated stance about what the home based business industry is. If people don't like these things, then STAY AWAY from the home based business industry, or fine another one. No one said you have to do anything. But many people who have NEVER had success before our experiencing it with the reverse funnel system, and to take that option away from others who might do the same is ignorant. The fact of the matter is, the reverse funnel system is a scientific based internet marketing system, designed to automate the process of selling Global Resorts Networks travel membership. Period. it's that simple. Any single person who WANTS to learn how to market on the internet, or advertise in general could achieve success in this business easier then possibly any business that has come before it. That's all I have to say about that. Yours Truly, Jonathan |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 10:19:43 PM EDT
RFS still needs a certain human touch, as does any business. There is nothing about Global Resorts Network on scambusters or BBB.
If you think you have it check out GRN by clicking my name. 304-319-2837 |
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 10:20:48 AM EDT
Jonathan knows his stuff... He's helped out a LOT of people in online marketing, and I hate to see someone with Jonathan's good heart get criticized on this page...
As for Amway bashers, I college buddy of mine who's now 23 is in Amway/Quixtar...(he got in when he was 19) and he's making $10K+ per month... If you're negative about mlm cuz you're using the "no one makes money in those things" you need to seriously look around at your job and ask yourself how many people will create a 6 figure RESIDUAL income working where you do... Here's a link to a video I did for people skeptical on network marketing... http://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=c2pqE6JDhx0 Yea, even Sylvester Stallone and his wife just founded a direct sales/mlm skin care company called Seriesse... So if you're so negative about network marketing, how about you and your buddies get together and start a picket line outside your local movie theatre where 'Rambo' is showing to display your anti-Stallone/anti-mlm feelings.. haha... People... just pick a business and get to work!! Reverse Funnel System Facts at http://www.RFSfacts.c om |
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 11:42:46 AM EDT
Well since you're makin so much money on it, give me 3 grand and i'll leave u alone :)
thankies :D |
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said this on 03 Jul 2008 10:21:58 PM EDT
Great post. This RFS thing is a scam. Can you con people out of money... ? YES!!! I hope you sleep good at night. And, God will remember.
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said this on 13 Feb 2008 3:24:10 PM EDT
Back in the old days it was known as MLM, now you call it a home based business to avoid the stigma attached to MLM - why would there be a stigma with the term MLM - because so many people lost money and wasted time pursing a business model that only helps those at the top. Ty and RFS are nothing more than regurgitated and re branded/renamed Amway/Nuskin/Noni etc - I worked for multiple MLM based business as an executive, the richest people in this industry like any other business are the founders, I would suspect if investigated deeply enough you would find that Ty is either a fictitious actor or if he is real he would be involved in the vacation business one way or the other. My time share trading membership only cost me $500 and it lets me stay all over the world for as low as $50 per night - a much better deal. So Jonathan is absolutely a shill for the RFS and the RFS is nothing more than repackaged travel MLM business. I would dare any of the RFS users to compare their deal with one offered by http://www.nationwidetrav elbiz.com/ - an up front MLM travel business - I doubt there is much difference.
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said this on 13 Mar 2008 6:20:03 PM EDT
Rob,
I would like more information about your timeshare trading membership. Is there a website for it? |
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said this on 24 Feb 2008 11:48:27 PM EDT
I value the low down - Saved me from a scam!
It is all about recruiting gullible people with no mention of "WHAT" they would be doing. A SCAM if I ever saw one for that matter alone. |
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said this on 04 Mar 2008 6:33:42 AM EDT
I'm with you Jonathan, and I'm also with "RFS" in a big way and doing quite well with it. Ms. Rogers "toots her horn" about her expertise in the field of "copy write." Give me a break!!! Damn woman, hire a proof reader!!! Perhaps take English Comp. #101. You have deplorable sentence structure, improper use of punctuation, poor diction, and mispelled words. Your rambling "giberish" and lack of style indicates to me that if you knew just 1/10th as much about "writing" as Ty Coughlin knows about "internet marketing," then you too might command $20,000/page. Until your skills evolve, perhaps you would like to visit my website, and Ty and I will help you generate enough income to "hire a professional to write for you." As an added bonus, you'll get first hand knowledge about something that you obviously know little about ...No, not "writing," but the "R.F.S.
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said this on 12 Mar 2008 4:18:12 PM EDT
Dude you are seriously going to screw with someone writing and you in the same line botch the word "gibberish"? LOL you special people make me laugh!!!!
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said this on 25 Apr 2008 5:40:52 AM EDT
Oooooooooooops, Frank: you misspelled the words "misspelled" and "gibberish" when (at 0633 on 4 March 2008) you attacked the web logger Ann Moss Rogers for, as you say "mispelled [sic] words" and "rambling giberish" [sic].
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said this on 08 Mar 2008 7:33:24 PM EDT
Look everybody ! A shill.
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 12:43:11 AM EDT
Jonathan you are leaving out some very important facts. MOST people who have joined including myself have spent many of thousands of dollars ($8,000+) advertising and advertising and advertising and dont get any sales. So let me ask you, if this is a completely automated system why are so many people failing? I had tens of thousands of people that visited my website and not so much as 1 paid $50.00 lead let alone a platinum sale. I had over 1200 optins. So what is the $300/month for the website for? Email follow up? The emails dont get opened or delivered because the Reverse Funnel Systems Email is BlackListed. Back Office? Not bad but not worth any where near $300/month. It it a complete Lie to say that the ''system'' is automated and that it takes out the human element. Now Jonathan I know you make a lot of Money with the system however MOST people dont make a dime.
Unless you have had great success in other home based businesses and a Ton of Money to "invest" I would steer clear from the Reverse Funnel System. By the way you can purchase and sell the same product through other sources for a lot cheaper than $300/month (which I am NOT doing). The product your buying is Gold Crown Resort sold through Global Resorts Network. |
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said this on 14 Sep 2008 6:23:27 PM EDT
Dear Sippo,
My name is Angil Philpo and I spend more than 7000 dollars in this Reverse funnell system. It was the saving of my hall life but I did not make any money with them. This system is a scam. Thanks for your commends |
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said this on 15 Mar 2008 8:59:16 PM EDT
Ive seen this attitude a lot from the players of multi-level marketing firms. The truth is Both are correct. The nay sayers and the people who join multi-level marketing. It all depends if you are a taker or a giver. I stay away from the scammers.
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said this on 22 Apr 2008 10:03:34 AM EDT
Dear Anne, thank you for the article. Your research and analysis was right on target, you deserve FIVE STARS. This scam is spreading across the internet like a virus. This reminds of the business ad scams posted by Billy Briggs of Cyber Junky, Inc., but just at a much larger scale. I will bet you half a dozen of reverse funnel cakes that there isn't a single person here honestly making a six, five, or possibly not even a four digit figure per month with the scam. For those you that invested into the scam and bashing anne, I started a new business of marketing "Viagra Tooth Paste" and "Birth Control Bubble Gum". Invest now, the pyramid is getting full fast!
Many of you forgot basic home business and need to go back to Home Business 101 :) |
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said this on 16 May 2008 4:58:52 AM EDT
Multi-level marketing is ALWAYS a failing venture in the long run. Someone HAS to end up in the lower tiers and only the lucky few early adopters enjoy their beaches and vacations.
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said this on 05 Mar 2009 7:36:53 PM EDT
That's because MLM is a ponzi scheme. It's always the guys getting in on the end of the run who get hit. The ones on top drive the middle to sign up more 'investors'. So that the upper-level folks can maintain the 'lifestyle' they claim to have.
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 5:31:03 PM EDT
Johnathan- Actually I have had a home based business for 15 years so I'm hardly a novice. I have 20 years as a professional in the advertising business--and that is across all media including the internet. I suspect my experience alone is older, or almost as old, as you are.
It's a typical pyramid business model. Period. I did not say it was a scam because I do not know that to be the case. If you'll notice I left it as a question in the headline for people to decide for themselves. But anyone doing research has to wade through immense propaganda that is flooding the internet from those in THE INNER CIRCLE who directly benefit from the $$ recruits pay to sign up or buy into the membership. I would not expect you to like what I wrote since it is not rah, rah, hyper positive and you are no doubt part of The Reverse Funnel System and have your own website venture and move up as others move in. You'd hardly be an objective party. I have made very clear what is my opinion in this article. I think it's important that those who do choose to get involved know all the facts from those other than the salesmen that benefit before doing so. Many will weigh all these facts and still decide this venture is for them. |
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said this on 10 Jan 2008 12:25:45 PM EDT
All the gossip about the "Reverse Funnel System" amaze me. No one even talks about "The Membership" that everyone purchases to get in. It is a wonderful value, allows you to stay at well over 5000 4 & 5 Star Resorts, Condos etc. World-Wide for as little as $298. for up to six people for eight days and seven nights. Tell me that isn't a GREAT DEAL! The Owner of a membership can also save huge amounts on Air Fare, Car Rentals and last but not least Cruises. My Wife & I purchased a membership just for the value of it along and only started to market the memberships later, Why not, you only need to travel for three weeks to make all your money back in savings and you can work on your Vacation and make more than enough to pay for it by sharing the benefits with others you meet while vacationing! Most of the articles that I read don't even have half of the facts correct, and are stated out of context. All I would suggest is that if your Interested to call or email me and I'll give you all the facts and I don't care if you buy a membership or not, cause I'm enjoying mine. Thanks Dennis Barnes 530-237-6532.
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 1:00:16 AM EDT
Really? First of all, you dont get to choose the place you stay at just the area. Also i looked into going to some places and did an internet search on the timeshares that it offered and people reviewed most them poorly. Another thing is that people in the Reverse Funnel System are discouraged from selling the vacaton membership and encouraged to only recruit, recruit, recruit. As a matter of fact i posed the question about selling the membership and was told that the Reverse Funnel System was not the best place for it and was given a couple of alternative websites I could market that was more geared toward selling the membership (all of which requiring an additional monthly fee) HMMM I wonder if this is legal, only selling to members?
By the way What is a Reverse Funnel? (a Funnel upside down is a PYRAMID) I wonder why they called it that |
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said this on 15 Mar 2008 2:49:37 PM EDT
anne i think you did youre best to describe the oppurtunity, but you lacked in the details. I do agree with you regarding the reverse funnel system. first it is alot of hype and the cost for web hosting is too high the one thing they do have going for them is the product the GRN membeship is exceptional and practically sells itself with or without a "reverse funnel". the main thing to keep in mind is their are much better and cheaper ways to market the product and business oppurtunity and you do not "have" to spend 3 grand to start. i have been doing research on grn for over a month now and the reverse funnel was how i first heard of the oppurtunity. since than i have found a better way with cheaper web hosting and working more direct with GRN hence im always ahead of the curb beacause i get the info first from GRN, i can show anyone who is interested the real best home based business on the web.
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said this on 22 Mar 2008 11:34:47 PM EDT
Please, share your knowledge with me. I am interested in "the real best home based business on the web". I tried a few - all scams - and can't afford another costly mistake.
Please, call me at 917-378-4302 - it's always easier by phone. If you can help me with this choice you'll find it very rewarding, I promise! Thanks in advance |
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said this on 05 Apr 2008 4:51:30 AM EDT
Hy my name is dan i was allmost to pay that 3000 dollars thinking i could make money but the guy i talked on the phone he was only babbling about how good is advertising the reverse funnel system and not the product,so i told him i worked for 5 years as a bartender for major hotels and i created my self some good connections but no in his words the only thing was how to get more people to join the system,anyway if u have a different way of selling the product please contact me my e-mail is dan_munteanu2005@yahoo.co m
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said this on 16 Apr 2008 12:35:46 AM EDT
Pleaseshow me the best home based business on the web, and what aboutthe cheaper and better ways to market as well as not spending 3 grandt to start.
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said this on 09 Sep 2008 9:59:54 PM EDT
intersested in home based business
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said this on 27 Mar 2008 1:56:34 PM EDT
Would you kindly explain your definition of a "typical pyramid business model." I am neither in total agreement or disagreement with your assessment of RFS or anything else but curious as to how you arrive at some of your opinions. Thanks!
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 6:50:41 PM EDT
Great article, very informative and much more detailed than the one I wrote. Same message though, pyramids are a great way for a lot of people to lose money while a few get rich.
And wow Jonathan, taht's shure is some gud grammar and speeling ewe've got goign on thar. |
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said this on 14 Oct 2007 3:11:07 AM EDT
Truly a great article and well written to boot. I wonder if Jonathan is getting close to that lounger in Hawaii with his laptop......please people, don't give Jonathan his money for his airfare!! Keep away from this scheme!
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 4:52:39 AM EDT
you are ranked #56 on google right now; key words: "REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM". (Unfortunately, your site is making money from this pyramid by the google ads). (Perhaps it is just deserts (sic/snopes.com) for having to research and write). Good job on the analysis. You are only the second critic of REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM that I have found in 5 pages of google.
Brian |
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 10:41:50 AM EDT
I spent hours of research and writing time and I will probably make 43 cents from adsense. To date, it's 13 cents. Those in the "system" will filter the site from adwords if they haven't already. I can tell you I did not write it for the money. My ad jobs pay a lot more than this. So unlike a reporter who does get paid, this article fits more in the category of a community service.
It's "Internet Amway" for those old enough to remember Amway. |
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 11:27:00 PM EDT
I was curious about this after finding an ad on problogger about this. Thanks for the clear headed approach to the Reverse Funneling System that probably falls into that "too good to be true" areas of life.
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said this on 21 Oct 2007 4:26:39 PM EDT
The reverse funnel system is complete BS, don't waste your money on this scam. The only one making money off this garbage is TY and his buddies at the top. Don't fall for this load of horse manure, they will take your money and you'll never see it again.
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said this on 22 Feb 2008 4:24:06 PM EDT
Did you do it Mike? If so please tell me more about your experience
Thanks |
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said this on 23 Oct 2007 11:20:21 PM EDT
Great article. Saying those things that spinning in my head, and wondering about. I have been doing research on this system (RFS), and thinking it is some kind of like a downline club... asking members to join one program after another. Of course this is not for ordinary people, the price to get into those programs are NOT REALLY affortable by the ordinary people like myself. You are right, the choice to join the program is totally up to the visitors. Just remember, there is no FREE LUNCH in this world ! Thank you. |
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said this on 25 Oct 2007 2:56:32 PM EDT
Very fine article.
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said this on 26 Oct 2007 4:39:26 AM EDT
Good Article! Im an online entrepreneur, and I thought the article was good. Granted there were some opinionated view points, and generalizations of the industry, but all in all, a good article (blog whatever). Due diligence IS of the ut-most importance in ANY funded proposal, business proposition be it mlm/network marketing/affiliate marketing or traditional "brick and morter" business.
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said this on 30 Oct 2007 4:05:14 AM EDT
I'm one of those skeptical of any get rich quick online schemes so I was really curious about this Reverse Funnel System when I couldn't find many bad things about it online. But you know what, if it's a pyramid scheme and people still think they can make money from the trickle at the base of the pyramid, then more power to them. Personally, the spin-off from all the advertising I've been getting on my site for this program makes me love it. Thanks, Ty!!
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said this on 15 Jan 2008 2:54:52 PM EDT
whats you site emigre?
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said this on 31 Oct 2007 9:36:00 PM EDT
Finally, some true facts about what the main product was, no hype. I also learned exactly how it would work. No thank you
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said this on 02 Nov 2007 3:08:33 PM EDT
$200-$300 per month for a web site? Holy moly.
$50 application fee, then charge $200-$300 per month for a website after being a platiumm member $2997 and plus over $100 process fee? anyone can explain? |
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said this on 02 Nov 2007 3:45:40 PM EDT
Reverse Pyramid System is no good, but don't take my word for it, check out better business bureau: Global Resorts Network,
they are being investigated for unsubstantiated claims. Don't hold your breath for GRN's response, they will no doubt be outa town soon. Don't let yourself fall for this obvious scam. |
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said this on 29 Apr 2008 5:20:56 PM EDT
I don't see anything bad on the BBB or related to your comment. Can you provide a link?
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said this on 04 Nov 2007 6:39:28 PM EDT
Thanks for keeping me from making a big mistake.
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said this on 05 Nov 2007 7:05:29 AM EDT
I had this small voice inside of my head saying "this is too good to be true". After reading all of this it is a deafening voice!
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said this on 05 Nov 2007 3:48:22 PM EDT
"If it's too good to be true, it probably is" an old axiom, but none the less truism. Just trying to find an objective article at all via Google took pages of searching, until this informative article appeared. I also remember AMWAY and it is the same principle. Thanks for the info, and I certainly would not invest here. Take heed and hang onto your funds.
Thanks so much for the article |
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said this on 09 Mar 2009 10:32:30 AM EDT
I was involved with Amway, Amway is a MLM, but is not a scam. I am thinking of getting back in, I made some money, but the problem is people don't use the products. And people don't unstand that is how you make Money!. My Brother inlaw worked for Amway in their I.T department, I have been to they facility in Ada,Mi.
P.S I don't know about some of these System like RFS, or Carbon Copy Pro P.P.S I suppose with the internet Amway would be easy now then 20 years ago?. |
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said this on 08 Nov 2007 8:46:29 AM EDT
This review is the 1st and only complete apparaisal of a highly pitched 'get rich' program that I have found on the net. It is almost impossible to learn all the information about these schemes to really make a sound decision that affects your pocket-book. I spent hours prior to this article trying to cut through the 'patina'. The ethics of the internet is more like a whorehouse than a bona fide directory of opportunity. Scams abound and real people looking for a real chance to earn an honest dollar are ripped off daily. I feel sorry for those who are selling legitimate programs because I find almost everything on the internet suspect. I can't seperate the chaff from the wheat because the pitchmen don't present honest and complete disclosure of all elements of their offer. I hope that pending House Bill HR 3461 (Safer Net Bill) will force more truth and disclosure. Thanks for a balanced and truly informative article.
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said this on 08 Nov 2007 12:49:08 PM EDT
this was well written and we on the Internet have to be careful not to get scammed these days. I have tried paid surveys and mystery shopping and most of them want your money and your credit card to tell you their secret and once they get your credit card number you start getting charges for all kinds of stuff and guarantees and I find this to be ashamed because ,I run other business and that is not the way to do business . If you have a product to offer , then offer it and be honest as to what it is and what it will bring you as a result . Thanks for your honest opinnion
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said this on 11 Nov 2007 6:25:42 AM EDT
Thanks for your investigative reporting on RFS. I think I'll get my $50 back !
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said this on 11 Nov 2007 7:45:34 PM EDT
Way to go!!!! We need more people speaking out about these rip-off-artists.... I can only imagine the money they are pulling in off the unsuspected person just trying to find an income. These people should be shut down now! Please keep up the good work in telling people about these scams, yes I said scam!
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said this on 12 Nov 2007 3:07:50 PM EDT
I asked GOD to helped me and i came to open this page.The article was soo good..Thanks all for alerting not to get scamed
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said this on 12 Jan 2008 10:41:33 PM EDT
Sara,
I too have asking the Lord if I should make the plunge and am gratefui I did not. Blessings, Jeff |
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said this on 11 Nov 2008 9:44:58 PM EDT
PRAAAAIIISEEE JEEEZUSSS! Hell-a-lew-yah!
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said this on 12 Nov 2007 4:03:53 PM EDT
Thanks for the article... I paid my $50. on my CC... then looked them up on google... and came across this article... I immediatly called my CC and cancelled the charges... the told me to call them and ask 4 a refund... here is the phone # 1-850-222-2288... anyone that starts to fall for it take action quickly... or check them out B4 U plunk down your cash.
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said this on 12 Nov 2007 9:38:39 PM EDT
nice review.
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said this on 13 Nov 2007 2:52:02 AM EDT
People looking for the negative, love negative and critical articles. People looking for the positive, enjoy the positive articles... nothing changes
This article was based on about as much negative and skeptical hype as there is positive hype and propaganda on the internet and in the world for that matter. The fact that the author claims not to know any 20k per page copywriters screams out the fact that her own skills as a "professional copywriter" are weak. The dark and generalized assumptions about the industry she's attempting to write about also are telling... basically she's attempting to offer a "review" on something she has absolutely no first hand knowledge about. Anything positive about this program is basically "hype" in her eyes... and any unsubstantiated negative claim is taken as fact. I can totally tell why this writer is stuck on this sorry page writing negative reviews... Most of the time it's people in competing programs... sad as that sounds... Ignorance is clearly demonstrated when people start kicking that old word "pyramid" around... as well as "saturation"... As if the corporations most people belong to are not "pyramids" where the few at the top make to most compared with the many brainwashed below... Dangle that "retirement" carrot in front of your face along with the eroding "benefits" and then at the end when you're too old, expensive and mentally rigid, they pull the rug from underneath your feet... Please, at least do some basic research before you write your "articles"... You had absolutely no knowledge about the product being offered... or the fact that the people at "the bottom" are making exponentially larger amount of sales than the people "up top"... This is NOT structured according to your assumptions. It's structured more like a Real Estate Broker's practice to be more accurate... which you would have seen with one quick look at the compensation plan... And the product has been competing strongly over 20 years with the Luxury Timeshare industry... in traditional, offline as well as now, online methods of marketing. The fact is... most people (even those that have "marketing degrees") do not have a clue about marketing... And like all business and professions.. it's not for everyone... most people are hardly competent enough to keep their low IQ cubicle jobs... let alone try to learn professional marketing skills... but that's precisely why this system is selling to normal people looking for a decent way to generate extra income. It's basically fully automated, meaning the weakest and most inconsistent piece of the whole equation (human factor) has been almost taken completely out of the way... like a good franchise... And the system does the presenting. It's a simple concept. It wouldn't be so converting for new people in record numbers if it was as "scammy" as you say. I'm sure some people want it to be... feeds into the rest of the bad "news" they're accustomed to hearing about on the idiot box (tv). But the fact is, the people at the "top" are NOT making the most money... that's the funny thing about this "article"... that made me laugh... It's the "poor" people at the bottom of your "pyramid" that are making profits in record numbers never seen in this industry before and it's why you haven't heard much "competent" negative criticisms about it... Seems when "professional" writers actually do their research on this whole thing... they find out these facts and decline to put a negative spin on it... because there really isn't any. The trick to this business opportunity is that it's pricepoint is high relative to the others out there... and common sense in marketing dictates you need to drive more traffic to the site than usual to convert... Just like a Realtor needs to interview and qualify more buyers these days to find some that qualify... And mercedes dealers must send out more marketing pieces to find the people willing and able to by a mercedes versus the chevy dealer... But if you're not competent in business or entrepreneurship... at least successful business... You wouldn't have a clue about that... So if that's the case.. why not just write a fiction novel?? At least you wouldn't end up looking like such an incompetent. Sure the other people with an assumption already forged will agree with you... but what are they agreeing to? If they themselves don't have a clue about the facts either?? Ha... the irony. What a joke.. it's no wonder most of these people are broke. Sad. |
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said this on 01 Jun 2008 1:28:23 PM EDT
OMG!!! Dude I love you! I agree with every line and every word! It's very true that people need to first define pyramid before claiming to see one. Also true that just because the price point of something is higher it's going to be marketed the same as something with a lower price point. Excellent!!!
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said this on 13 Nov 2007 5:21:56 PM EDT
You people are sad...
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said this on 13 Nov 2007 9:11:11 PM EDT
After reading your review, it is clear
to me that you do not have a full understanding of either RFS or Global Resorts Network. RFS is just an online system used to promote GRN that does offer a wonderful product. When marketing online using systems is key, but RFS is not for everyone, and that's ok. Either way, if someone does have an interest in GRN, there are other systems to choose from, one coming soon that focuses only on product. GRN partnered with another company that has a satisfactory record with the BBB, and GRN does not have any complaints listed as mentioned in one of the replies. Readers should know sometimes people from competing other companies or systems will write negative and/or false info in hopes to knock the competition. On the saturation statement, that is just a myth. If everyone in sales thought there was any truth to that, they would never open shop, either online or off. It is only a belief by those who do not think there is abundance for all. For example, within a 1 mile radius of my home, there are 2 McDonald's, 2 Wendy's and 1 Burger King. They all sell burgers, including the non fast food places I did not even mention. They are all making money...wonder why? RFS is not a pyramid deal, you are just paying for a system, others that do not own it do not profit from the 299.00 GRN has a pay plan called perpetual leverage, and we all make equal commission and have the opportunity to make more or less than someone who joined before us. Hope that helps bring some balance to the review. Cheers, Kim Ward |
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said this on 14 Nov 2007 5:11:35 PM EDT
Anne,
I am a customer and affiliate of GRN and a user of the Reverse Funnel System for just about a month now. I was not "in at the top". I started where everyone else did, with no sales under my belt. I have made multiple sales in my first month. Google "Bram Smith reverse funnel system" and I'm sure you'll see positive reviews from me about this system that don't benefit me in any way, other than to counter negative publicity about the system from people who only know half of what is going on with it since they have not actually been a customer or user themself, and are only evaluating it based on first impressions. I paid the cost of my membership just like everyone else, and I'm gladly paying the $299 per month for the Reverse Funnel marketing system because it's worth it and it does what it says it does - close prospects with very little effort. There were some points made in your article that I agree on, but in a lot of areas, you're speaking about something you have not had an experience with yourself. You might feel that you are "saving" people from being scammed, and I applaud you for your good intentions. However, have you considered that had I seen your site and web page prior to me making the decision to join and do this business, it might have altered the decision I made 30 days ago that has SUBSTANTIALLY changed my life, my wife and child's live, and many of my team members' lives already? Really, it comes down to whether or not you work the business. I can tell you from just one month's experience that if you put the time and energy into this business that you would a brick-and-mortar startup that costed 50 times as much to launch, you'll reap much greater benefit in comparison, and be able to touch other people's lives in a positive way in the process. I speak from my own positive experience with RFS and GRN, not just based on "views" of something I've read about and Googled a few times. Bram Smith |
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said this on 23 Mar 2008 10:28:07 PM EDT
I read your article about the RFS and I'm really not sure who or what to believe. I see that your a month into his business and that you already made a couple of sale. Is the rfs system really craked up to be what most people are say that it is?????
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said this on 25 Nov 2008 7:57:33 AM EDT
Hi Bram,
I notice that you have been in this business for some time now. I have recetly come across the business and havve found a lot of negative comments plus a lot of postives. Could you please advise how the business is working for youi now. Regards Ray |
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said this on 14 Nov 2007 11:41:05 PM EDT
Hmmm Bram smith....dont get me worng...you may be 100% right about the system..but I read your comment more like Link bait...I mean if it is successfull for you..i would be intrested in joinging you since you 1st hand know it works...i would say we need some type of proof aside from just a postive comment
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said this on 15 Nov 2007 7:32:46 PM EDT
Excellent article! Thank you so much Anne for revealing this pyramid scam. Any comments that are opposite of yours (such as the one by Bram Smith) is total crap! You are a honest person Anne and good things will come your way. God bless you and keep up the good work!
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 2:19:26 AM EDT
Such ignorance...how can you believe one side more then the other? Do you know either of these people? Well meaning or not, Anne is dead wrong...but I suppose I am full of it too, right? I am a simple Christian woman raising a family on my own and I thank God every day for RFS & GRN, it is changing my life in a big way. This is not a get rich scheme..it is hard work...but it pays off in a big way...even us little guys on the "bottom"
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said this on 15 Nov 2007 7:36:49 PM EDT
It never ceases to amaze me how often people fall for these silly marketing ploys
"it has to be true, I read it on the internet!" There's just so many scams, and so many fools out there. I really do feel sad for them |
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said this on 15 Nov 2007 11:23:25 PM EDT
This is how I got to this website:
I have just been on YouTube looking at some "make money" videos, and I was surprised at how many of them actually relate to this "reverse funnel" scam when you go to the web links that they provide. For example, there is one guy going by the name of Ryan Wade (or YouTube username = thisvideopaysme) who claims that his dumb, "no-education", pizza delivery mate just rang him to tell him how he made $35,000 in one month, blah, blah, blah..., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13ZoQ5C21o However, when you click on the web links in this guy's vids, say http://www.6figureVids.com or http://www.totallyhandsfree.com/ then it funnels you to the "reversal funnel system". Another thing you may notice is that Ryan Wade finds it difficult to keep a straight face when he is relaying how his so called not-so-intelligent friend makes his easy money, and now I can see why: because he knows he is telling porky pies! There are other YouTube users such as "wealthyinnercircle" and plenty more who are all promoting this pyramid scam. If you want to get travel discounts you don't need to pay these guys for the privelege, these "discounts" will naturally be available anyway. I have actually seen this type of pyramid scam a few years back and know people who lost around $3,000 each. If you have any sense you will not send these guys even $1! |
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said this on 16 Nov 2007 11:22:23 AM EDT
Thanks for this informative article. I was actually researching this company because of an email I received. You’re right about one thing Ann, all the ad's are about how much money you can make blah blah blah. Money talks, yes I was curious and interested by all the hype, but I wanted to find out what the product was that they were marketing. There has to be product/service otherwise it is a pyramid and not legit. I finally found out in a blog that it's a travel "co op" I guess you can call it and I was very interested because that is what I am looking for. I am looking to promote in the travel industry, so I was even more excited. But, after reading and researching (which I highly highly recommend for anyone looking to invest their money) my excitement just plummeted and it wasn't because of your article. Overall I think it's a great concept, but the money that they are asking you to pay on a monthly basis, I don't think is necessary. And why do they require $50 to send you an application when everything can be done online? I'm not complaining about the $2995 to join the club, if this is a legit travel company, I personally think its great, if it stops there, but unfortunately that's the problem. If one has to spend more than $100-150 per month for advertising, than I think there’s a problem. This is when I backed off and I wasn’t even aware of the fact that you have to pay $200 per month for the website? I’m not sure if this is correct but please, if this is what they are asking, yes this is when I say it is a scam and that’s too bad because they have a great service.
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said this on 16 Nov 2007 11:23:20 AM EDT
You are right Anne, except for one thing. It isn't a "Pyramid style business model". It is a Pyramid! Richard Young explains it in detail on his blog at http://reversefunnelreview.com/2007/11/reverse-funnel-system-compensation-plan.html, diagram and all. Thanks for standing up where others are not strong enough to do so!
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said this on 16 Nov 2007 9:22:26 PM EDT
RFS Is most effective home based business opportunity around the internet! It takes down all other opportunities by storm! Its just incredible! You can read more about Reverse Funnel System On My Blog!
http://www.globalnetworksuccess.com http://www.squidoo.com/reverse-funnel-system-secret/ - Full Review Of Reverse Funnel System |
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said this on 17 Nov 2007 7:05:22 AM EDT
When a thing like this has reached the scale it has, and everyone can join - there is no more mony to be collected by the people that join at this time. It is a pyramid folkes!
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said this on 17 Nov 2007 7:03:37 PM EDT
hey....I saw your ad about the Reverse Funnel System and I wanted to let you know that you are marketing your business in the wrong way!
I have a way to get Unlimited targeted prospects in your reverse funnel system...and they are 100% FREE. We are having a call tonight. Please be my guest. here is the website to sign up for the call. http://www.ezcashsystem.biz/affiliates/jrox.php?id=219 My name is David and my phone number is 406-360-8781 |
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said this on 18 Nov 2007 10:54:38 PM EDT
Harry, you are correct, GRN offers
an excellent service with great savings, but you may not be aware that it is separate from RFS. RFS is just a marketing system used by some in GRN, and is not affiliated with the company at all. GRN does offer a marketing system for $29.00 a month. Some use one, some use both, some use none. :) It just comes down to what one likes best, and that may be RFS, or not. :) Cheers, Kim Ward |
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said this on 19 Nov 2007 4:22:38 PM EDT
I also found this posting informative. However, for myself, I do use RFS and I am a GRN member. The product offered is simply a membership to a 21 year old stand alone company offering discounts for global travel. This membership allows me to travel for either personal or business purposes. RFS is simply an automated system with built in components that allow you to automate online all that a new individual needs to start a home business. The RFS system has partnered with GRN's affiliate compensation plan creating an opportunity for people who would otherwise not be able to generate income for themselves in such a timely period. It is most definitely an investment opportunity and should not be presented in any other manner. There are also other automated systems online that can be used to promote the GRN product. I myself use several and always offer these options to interested parties. However, it is my own experience that RFS has generated the most results, so for me the old cliche of "you get what you pay for" stands. The RFS system and the GRN product can also be promoted jointly or individually both online or offline. The ad costs are strictly up to you as an individual. I am seeing results with social networking as well as paid advertising. I hope this comment clears up the RFS/GRN issue. There are no secrets, just a unique online system that partners with a travel membership product creating a business investment opportunity for those individuals seeking additional resources of earnings. warmest regards,
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said this on 21 Nov 2007 10:10:41 AM EDT
Thanks Ann. Thank goodness I found your article. I was starting to question the fact that there weren't any naysayers out there. Come on, no program is without critics and the fact critics of RFS were so hard to find made me question the whole thing. I have a website with SBI at http://www.sitesell.com/fertility.com where we often have conversations about GRQ schemes in the forums. Although, I know there is no such thing as a "free lunch" and your article was a clear, well written reminder of that fact. Thanks for your objectivity! Amelia
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said this on 26 Nov 2007 1:49:12 AM EDT
Thanks Anne for such an informative article and exposing "The Reverse Funnel System" for what it is... a pyramid scheme. You just saved me some a whole lot of time and money.
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said this on 26 Nov 2007 9:11:41 PM EDT
Thanks Anne for your post. Probably it save me a lot of money, avoiding me the temptation to enroll on the system. Of course this kind of stuff only works for those who create it and a few others that join early. But the way you describe it, we just have to step away when the primary goal is all the business worries and the product itself it's the last thing that matters...
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said this on 27 Nov 2007 12:14:22 PM EDT
Thanks a million Anne and keep it up!
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said this on 27 Nov 2007 6:10:25 PM EDT
Thank you!!
$300 is such a ripoff IT DOES NOT convert sales the way their calls CLAIM it does. They do NOT allow anyone to admit they are NOT making sales. IS it ethical for those who design a system to be making more than the ones who are paying them $300 a month to use the system?? |
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said this on 28 Nov 2007 10:25:59 AM EDT
Ive been a member of RFS for about 9 Months. So let me break it down in terms of how much Iv'e spent and gained. Profit and loss statement, if you want to put it.
Expense Initial Fee: $50 Joining Fee: $2995 Website Fee Monthly: $299 Personal Website: $300 Profit (inc App Fee) March:$1550 April: $2350 May: $4750 June: $12500! Over the moon July: $14500 Quit my Job! August: $25250 September: $28300 October: $33000 November: $35000 Startup Total: $3545 Monthly Ave, Maintenance/Marketing: $500 Total Expenses=$8144.00 Total Income 9 Months =$157,200 Income-Expenses=Profit $149056.00!! Dont have to prove anything else to anyone! Been on a couple of trips through GRN. Cayman Islands Melbourne Australia. What can I say! Reverse Funnel System and GRN are the best scams Ive been in..Enough said. I Pay a friend of my mine to do all my marketing because I am Lazy! ha ha....Simple answer, Your either in it or your not. |
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said this on 13 Mar 2008 5:58:53 PM EDT
Are you for real? I am in a desperate situation here. I just got fired from a job for the firs time in my life and I'm considering joining the travel club. Would you mind answering a couple of questions for me? If so, write back and I will send you my questions.
Charles |
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said this on 27 May 2008 1:41:59 AM EDT
Hi Mike, very interesting article, I'm one of the biggest sceptics of this system but I am looking for a business opportunity of some kind so that I can produce income and due to my injuries, be my own boss at home so best manage myself, I'm unemployable due to knee injuries and would love to make money from home. My point is, if this is so good, are you offering to mentor people? teach them the ropes? if so, contact me and enlighten me some more.
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said this on 22 Feb 2008 4:54:36 PM EDT
tell me what site you joined with..thank you
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said this on 22 Apr 2008 11:26:42 PM EDT
Thank you Mike!!! This is Tony Falasca and I will be joining RFS at the end of this week. Today is April 22, 2008 What I will do to all of you who think the Glass is half empty- Show you week by week the money I have made ok.. You see I see an Opportunity and will be enjoying my vacations and laughing at you dumb ass people. See you on the Beach! Oh wait you will be to busy talking/writing about scams LOL!!!!!
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said this on 25 Nov 2008 8:09:56 AM EDT
Hi Tony,
You were joining in Aril, 2008. I am seriously looking at it. How is it performing for you? regards Ray |
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said this on 25 Nov 2008 8:21:22 AM EDT
Hi Mike,
Read with interest your P/L statement. Currently looking at the opportunity. How has business been treating you since this statement Regards Ray |
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said this on 09 Mar 2009 10:53:41 AM EDT
I got layed off from my job at the begining of Feb.. This sounds good, I need to work from home I have a 1 year old Daughter and my wife works partime. I don't have is Thousands of Dollars for a start-up.
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said this on 28 Nov 2007 12:13:07 PM EDT
Check out my site, www.waigs.de. I had interview with one of the rfs users. just listen to the interview and decide foryourself
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said this on 30 Nov 2007 3:37:52 AM EDT
This is a fantastic article, that I have pointed to from my own blog speaking about this particular MLM scam. It's hard to find TRUE negative feedback about this Funnel System, because those in the system have done a good job trying to cover them up. They flag videos and websites with keywords like "Scam" and "Pyramid Scheme", then use those pages to deliver their sales pitch again.
The disturbing thing for me, is the cult like status these schemes enjoy. People really get sucked it and start to become very much like the criminals that started the business in the first place. They can't truly defend themselves, they simply fall back on the sales pitch. There is a "Us VS Them" mentality, that those who are against the system can't be a part of it, therefore the people INSIDE the system are the special ones. It's sad to me, that in 2007 we don't have better legislation to combat this problem, and the Internet has made scams like this much worse. Gone are the days when real life recruiters were needed to fill conference rooms.... now it can all be done with a few dozen websites. |
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said this on 18 Jan 2008 6:29:52 PM EDT
my name is Bob and I'm an alcoholic and, uh,... um.. well,...ah?...oops! wrong blog site! sorry...
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said this on 30 Nov 2007 4:02:41 PM EDT
By Joining The Reverse Funnel System You will Get More More Than You Realize ! You Will Get Professional 1 On 1 Training By Me and Other Professional Network Marketers That Really Know This Business. The Key To Making Money Online Is Generating Free Traffic Not "Paid Advertising" . That Is What We Will Show You. How To Generate Free Traffic By Marketing Your Business Not "Advertising" Your Business.
Once You Learn The Well Guarded Secrets of "Network Marketing" (Which The Reverse Funnel more... System Teaches You)You Will Be Able To Sell Just About Anything That Is Viable Online ! This Opportunity Offers A Product Of Real Value ! You Won't Be Marketing Ebooks or Useless Information, You Will Be Marketing A Viable Product ! Once You Have learned The Marketing Aspect of This Business(Which We Show You) You Will Be Making Some Serious Money. You Can Take The Information We Give You To Market The Reverse Funnel System As Well As Any Other Product That You Think Has Value ! Remember, That You Will Get 1 on 1 Professional Assistance and All Of The Tools You need To Be A Successful Network Marketer ! aBusinessForEverybody.com |
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 1:22:03 AM EDT
Free traffic like Craigslist which is a full time job in itself reposting ads that they delete. Or maybe Myspace which will delete your profile if you send to many comments or friend requests. Oh I know you can make videos on YouTube that says Reverse Funnel Scam? with the other million people PROMOTING the system. My onl question is Why does Craigslist and Myspace Ban you from their websites for promoting The reverse Funnel System? I just cant figure it out.
Brief Synopsis: I was scammed by RFS, Was in it for 5 months, Spent about $8,000, Drove tens of thousands to website, had 1200+ optins, 0 paid leads and 0 sales, all that is equal to an $8,000 SCAM Also, you wont be marketing the travel membership only the 'RFS' |
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said this on 02 Dec 2007 8:41:22 PM EDT
"-Is Reverse Funnel System another online scam?
-Is Reverse Funnel system big scam on internet?" I am going to tell you what you been waiting for. How to distinguish between Scam and good business strategy. First of all what is scam? a crime, particularly a crime involving trickery. A scam is also an undercover police operation in which criminals are tricked into revealing their involvement in criminal activities. In the latter context, a scam is also called a sting operation. www.asisonline.org/library/glossary/s.xml Ok so, for Reverse Funnel System to be a scam there must be some trick involve, lies. To find out if RFS is a scam, first we need to see how does RFS works. If you refer to my earlier posting you will find out how exactly RFS works. But I do my best to explain the process here. What is Funnel? This image should help you understand how Funnel works in marketing world. http://www.imediaconnection.com/images/content/chart_01-02-06_1.gif So, Steps on Funnel Marketing is : Let everybody know what you have for sale Explain to them basic of your product knowledge Detail them on Product and how would benefit them Qualify them for a purchase and finally $$$$$$$ Now Ty Coughlin and Inner circle team , system Is Reverse Funnel: translation: Buy (100% money back guaranteed) Qualify them for purchase (Will refund if not qualify) Detail them on Product how would benefit them Explain to them basic of your product knowledge Let everybody know what do you have for sale Conclusion Scam is "a crime, particularly a crime involving trickery" Well if there is 100% Money back guarantee even when the enroller does not qualify they get their money back What they are buying? Life time membership ($2999) for traveling at 4-5 start resorts and hotels across the world for around $298 a week Not per person for as many as people you can fit in your unit. I don't know about you but I think that's an excellent deal. Even if you don't want to do this as a home business. How do you make money with RFS? Simple every sale you make you earn $1000 commission. the person who sold it to you makes a $1000. when the person you sold to make a sale he/she makes a $1000 and you make $1000. the most amazing part of this is there is No LIMIT. You can be sitting home, playing cards or what ever that it ticks you and Da!!!! you made a $1000 commission because one of your enroller or one of your enroller, enroller made a sale. Wait a minute, one last thing. RFS is FULLY AUTOMATE. everything is in one platform. ALL YOU DO JUST ADVERTISE. OK I don't know about you but This is far from scam to me. It is BRILLIANT. Kathy Mehrabian |
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 1:31:42 AM EDT
So the $2,995 is refundable?
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said this on 05 Dec 2007 7:45:54 AM EDT
Thank you for your article. It has taken me hours to find out what the RFS was selling, I even wondered if you had to invent your own products to sell at one point! If the product is good it should sell itself and not be hidden behind a money making business lure. I don't want to join a travel company, I would have searched for travel company membership if I did and not for home based work! I just want to work from home and pay the bills! I didn't rate your article as exellent because I found some of the grammer to be bad, but this is probably because I'm English and we have slightly different grammer rules! However, I am very grateful to have found your informative and objective article.
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said this on 07 Dec 2007 9:16:49 AM EDT
If you've read this far down the list of comments I must assume that you are still trying to figure out what is really going on with this Reverse Funnel System. Well, I would like to share my first hand experience with the system, but first would like to clear up a few small issues with some of the previous posts.
First of all, "waigs" posted about how much money he's made with RFS. Well, you can simply disregard any of his claims because he also said he's been using the system for 9 months. The truth is RFS has only been around since July / August 2007. So he obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Secondly, Johnathon has a vested interest in submitting such a positive post on this matter. He's all over the place marketing this system. Now, here's the real story from someone that has had 3 months experience using the Reverse Funnel System. After struggling for 4 weeks to gain even my first $50 paid lead, I began using additional methods of marketing my "beach bum" website. These additional marketing methods were actually shared to me by some of the internets' best marketers. For the next week and a half I received 2- $50 paid leads. Neither of the 2 leads joined. Another few weeks of advertising (free and paid) and another 2- $50 paid leads came in. Great! Well, not so fast.... neither of these leads had the $3,000 required to get started, or even good enough credit to apply for the funds. Not giving up and still determined to succeed, another few weeks of advertising with no results. So here's the break down total outlay of cash including startup, monthly website use and advertising costs: $7,600 Total amount of income from sales: $0 (that's zero for those of you scoring at home) Also, I receive weekly emails from Ty selling me on his co-op lead program and his ezine submittal website. I've paid big money for both with no results. Also, Ty Coughlin, Don Glannville, Greg Chambers, Doug Wellens and Lonnie Brasher (just to name a few) are all in the lead business. They sell expensive lead packages to their members which probably makes them more money than the system itself. This I have a real problem with. Now, with that said, I have since shut off my Reverse Funnel System and have focused on using a much cheaper system ($30 month) and have made 3 sales in the last 2 weeks. I'm certainly not here to promote the system I'm using, I would just like people to know that you can have great success with Global Resorts without using RFS. The fact of the matter is Global Resorts markets a fantastic product. I've used it and was blown away by the accommodations for the price. If you are serious about building a true, legitimate business from home, without the usual investment required for franchising.... consider becoming an Affiliate with Global Resorts Network. The compensation plan is not that of a pyramid scheme. Members are inclined to lend the support to all of their affiliates because it pays at all levels. Take the time to study the payplan and you'll see the difference. I hope that reading this helps you further in your decision on whether or not to get involved with The Reverse Funnel System. I would suggest joining as GRN Affiliate. View other negative posts on RFS at: http://scam.com/showthread.php?p=459517#post459517 Wow, you really did read all the way down here?! |
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said this on 17 Jan 2008 1:03:42 PM EDT
Mary Jane, please contact me regarding RFS & GRN. I have been a member since september 2007, and recently cancelled RFS marketing system, due to zero pay back. I would like to sell my GRN membership at a discount to someone, or figure out what you are doing (pay you or someone to get this business going) to at least get my money ($5K+) back. Thanks. tc.5@comcast.net or 810-488-6367
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said this on 18 May 2008 10:12:17 PM EDT
Hello Tim,
I was with RFS for 1.5 months. After seeing the steep prices and evident need to continually spend lots in advertising, i decided to ask my money back from GRN directly. I basicall said i lost my job and the opportunity is not for me. I made it sound like it was life or death. I got my 3K back within a week or so. Hope this helps. |
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said this on 31 Jan 2008 9:53:15 PM EDT
Tell me about Global Resort Network and how you are a part of this without being in the reverse funnel. thanks
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said this on 22 Feb 2008 5:41:23 PM EDT
Mary Jane
Please tell me how you got involved for the $30 affiliation? Did you come in as platinum member?? Please respond back to me Thank you Tamara |
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said this on 08 Dec 2007 12:39:08 AM EDT
Amazing the different spins on one system. So many people claiming to TEACH you how to market. It won't matter because too many people are marketing the same site and stepping all over each other to get seen. When I called a team leader to get more information I was told to optin to his RFS site with a different email so I would be placed directly under him. I thought that was weird because he has a huge team (at least he claims so) and didn't seem to care if I was already opted into one of his team's RFS sites. When I mentioned this to him he told me the only way to guarantee I would be on his team was to re optin on his site,. I'm still doing research on this whole thing but thought it was interesting to see the level of competition even within the same team.
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said this on 09 Dec 2007 3:02:17 PM EDT
Great article.. I wonder if the people posting how great the RFS is really make money of it or if they are just employees seaching the web for negative reviews to bash.. Strange world.
What kind of people fall for this? With a fair education one should realize from the first second after opening such a website, that it's a huge scam.. how can anyone think of this as a serious, legitimate business? This is just common sense. |
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said this on 11 Dec 2007 6:12:32 PM EDT
this is an excellent article ............. but i actually use this system and it works sure you dont make as much as it says but you do make enough for a part time second job
hers the link http://www.thousanddollarprofits.com/cjecklin89 |
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said this on 11 Dec 2007 6:16:30 PM EDT
Great Article- well researched and informative. I have a comment about the first comment. I've researched this business for a while now, and everywhere I look I see that Jonathan character defending the reverse funnel while slamming people personally and he continues to do so here. It's obvious you have knowledge and experience and he immediately tries to undermine you... whats his point? His motivbation is obvious, but why does he feel the need to slam people? He's obviously some young kid who has found success and developed a huge ego problem because of it. Please stay away from that Jonathan Budd character... he needs to get a life rather than go around bashing other people's.
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said this on 15 Dec 2007 5:51:20 PM EDT
Great article!
This kind of systems is a big scam, is for stupid people who believe he can make tons of money in a day! |
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said this on 15 Dec 2007 8:50:45 PM EDT
Thanks for that great article. It seems that RFS is just another MLM scam. I do agree about the warning signs, cheap websites and ambiguous information as to the nature of the work.
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said this on 16 Dec 2007 2:14:16 PM EDT
Rather straight forward assessment of RFS. Not negative or positive. Thanks--you have answered my question. Lance
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said this on 16 Dec 2007 5:56:15 PM EDT
Seriously, this is a pretty horrible "review". I must agree with the people above (yes, I read all the comments) who said you obviously have no idea what's going on. And I laugh at the people who blindly accept your "review". Oh yeah, I'm not even using the RFS, or a member of any affilliated company. I'm just laughing at the fact that people accept your article just as hastily as they might accept a scam.
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said this on 16 Dec 2007 11:24:47 PM EDT
The review is well written (5 stars) but shows a lack of common sense (1 star), IMO, with cynicism cloaked in an attitude of impartiality. Unbelievable to me that so many would judge a home business a scam just because of the price tag! Most people have no idea how to run a business of any kind, let alone one where your main focus is targeted lead generation. RFS is not for everyone, but for crying out loud, quit the whining! http://www.ReverseFunnelSystemCoach.com I'll bet you can figure what I think of the system by the name of my site! ;)
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said this on 24 Dec 2007 9:17:30 AM EDT
This article was very informative. I love a straight forward approach. I do not use the RFS. BUT with just the info. you wrote it is a great study on how to brand yourself on the internet. Obviously most do not know how to do that. I would have to say I am one of them learning different applications on internet marketing and I find it very fascinating.
Yes I am trying my own system out with my own opinions. I think people are tired of the same old hype. My idea is that tell people everything up front offer a good product and help people along the way. If people focused more on helping others success would come without much effort. I think RFS is a good system just not for everyone. If anything the system does create success and hope for some. The unfortunate part even with a good system there are some not so great people involved. It is that way with everything. I give Ty a lot of credit in creating a market niche and a unique marketing system. I just wish it was a little cheaper. Very nice article. Dare To Dream, Todd www.12monthstofreedom.net |
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said this on 22 Jan 2008 5:38:39 PM EDT
all this bickering is driving me to drink... uh...more ...hic!
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said this on 25 Dec 2007 3:15:20 AM EDT
Great Article! What amazes me is how gullible people can be! I took one look at the home page with the fat guy in the lounge chair and that made me laugh! And then when I seen a $50.00 charge for information I damn nearly fell out of my chair! I thought "there can't be anybody dumb enough to fall for this!! And now as I research.....wow! $400.00 to $600 per month and only $1000.00 on a $3000.00 sale?? Reverse Funnel System a.k.a. Reverse Profit System! :>) And I might as well throw my link in http://teamweprofit.com
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said this on 26 Dec 2007 9:16:17 PM EDT
I'm not sure what to think of this Reverse Funnel System. My husband joined and we have already put $4,000.00 into it. We haven't seen any profit yet. I think if it sounds to good to be true-than it is...My husband believes it will work, you just have to put your time into it??
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said this on 26 Dec 2007 10:01:16 PM EDT
Great article, I just hope more will follow. RFS and others like it are system that works on the lazy, greedy and a lotto mentality of making money people, there are a lot of them out there and they are the ones that end up with nothing. Long story short to be successful you must work hard, now work hard does not always mean sweating and working 16 hours a day, I am talking about working smart. RFS is about suckering in those who want quick money with less effort. Quick money, less effort always spells out to be worthless and a waste of an investment. A rule of thumb to stay away from system like this is “if you make commission on membership fee rather then the actual value of the product then you is in for trouble”. People who have been involved in Network Marketing know it is all about a good or great consumable product, a duplicate-able system that causes great retention, a great solid company and a great comp plan. However even all of that does not mean a thing; the most important asset in ANY business is your people and RFS brags about removing the human out of the equation. Yes the Network Marketing industry has a failure rate of 90% or high and the reason why is most people do not want to work hard hence again they are the ones that join systems like RFS. Its like communism, it sounds good on paper but it just does not work, oh yes it works for the leaders and creators and a few others, however like the article says it is doomed to implode and frizzle away, no REAL residual income and a lot of angry people, even the ones that may profit in the end they have nothing for the future and generations to come.
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said this on 26 Dec 2007 10:19:57 PM EDT
I'm not saying that their aren't people making money with this system, but there are also many people being lead astray and left behind. They are the one's my heart goes out to, I joined this system about 3 weeks ago, And have recently shut down my rfs site down ( for moral reasons I feel as though I cannot promote this system), I intend to promote grn through the grn site but I am having difficulties getting my upline to respond to the many E-mails that I have sent them concerning this issue. My upline is strictly for RFS promotion and I feel as though I am stuck!
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said this on 27 Dec 2007 11:55:20 PM EDT
Thank you, Anne. You have saved many people with your most objective view points pertaining to this MLM scam (from Singapore).
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said this on 28 Dec 2007 12:50:44 PM EDT
It continues to sadden me that the RFS has cast such a large, dark shadow over the Global Resorts Network. I really wonder if they had all this in mind when (and if) they allowed the RFS to promote them. I agree that it is very hard to find accurate information about the RFS. When I first came upon the website several months ago, I was somewhat intrigued. However, after reading page after page after page of promises that all I had to do was sit in my easy chair and the big bucks would come rolling in, I saw this for what I believe it really is.....a networking opportunity that will work for some people but not for the majority. I have done extensive research with people on both sides of the fence. I have called people that are using the RFS and having very good success. I have called people that are not. By far the most common complaint that I have heard on the negative side is that people are getting no help from their upline. They call and e-mail and get no response. This saddens me both for the actual person and for their upline. Training people below you far and away the best use of your time. Building a business is all about that. One man can't do much be themselves and if they don't train people to do as they do, when they stop doing.....they're done! Myself and the people in my group believe that mentoring and training each member of the team is paramount in our success. Anyway, back to the RFS. I, for one, did not even bother asking for my $50 back because I'm pretty sure I know how that would have gone! Let's pretend I'm wrong, though, and it would have been no problem. So, back to my original point, I have come to realize that the Global Resorts Network and the Reverse Funnel System are absolutely two seperate entities and should be treated as such. This article was about the RFS and I believe Anne did quite well in writing about it. Anne, maybe you could do an article about the Global Resorts Network and let us know what you think of it. I am a member and I like it, though I have quite limited experience with it thus far. Anne, let me know via e-mail (jlstucky@yahoo.com) if that would be something you're interested in. Anybody else that has any interest in Global Resorts Network can e-mail me as well or go to globalresortssuccess.com. I would like to add one more thing to those who are still reading and haven't commented...or for those who have commented and will comment on other articles down the road. Try to put more than one or two lines in your comment. "Reverse Funnel Sytem sucks" or Reverse Funnel System is awesome" sure don't leave me craving more knowledge from you. Show that you have some actual knowledge, be it bad or good, of the product and I think the rest of the world will take you a little more serious. Just my opinion. Thanks to all who have read this. Thank you Anne for writing this article.
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said this on 28 Dec 2007 7:39:11 PM EDT
Thank you I have been trying to figure out what RFS is. I found it suspisous when you couldn't figure out what the product you would be selling or learning, for that matter, was on the main page. Then having to put your name and Email address in to find out anything, Can we all say SPAM why sure we can. Yah NO I get enough spam I really dont need more. Well anyway thank you for some information on the site and end product besides the "system".
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said this on 28 Dec 2007 10:25:13 PM EDT
Guys, Guys... why wasteing your time typing all this stuff?? Things are SO SO simple ..
Need money? 1st you have to work hard 2nd you have to priduce a product that is desirable out of your hard work 3rd you have to find ways to sell the product 4th there must be people that have real money and like to give it to you so they can enjoy your product!! (product may be a physical unit or a mental unit or service) ITS THAT EASY!! And have in mind IF some GAINS money some OTHER will LOOSE it!! consider that you are 2 childern with 5 chocolates each.. you can find ways to make the other kid to pay you with cholotates.. the sure thing is that you will end up with 0 chocolates or with 10 tops! NOMATER WHAT YOU DO YOU WONT GET MORE THAN 10 CHOCOLATES EVER! SAME GOES WITH MONEY! not all 7 billion of people Have money to spent on you! and not all of the people that have money to spen will spent it ON YOU! so dont dream that much about you getting richer without do nothing! you have to DO something so you can earn money(means so that someone will agree to loose his money on you -e.g because he wats the product of yours-) |
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said this on 29 Dec 2007 3:17:13 PM EDT
Hi,
Great article nice to see some honesty upfront. Keep up the great work. George http://www.thetruthonmlm.com |
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said this on 30 Dec 2007 8:50:51 PM EDT
Thank you very Much!!!!! Great description of the old Amway crap.
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said this on 02 Jan 2008 10:49:00 AM EDT
That was a great review on this Reverse Marketing System. I basically had the same perception about this business model as some of the people here. My first look at the guys in the lawn chair basically says, SCAMMER!!...
Anne, I think you should give us more reviews and feed back on some of the best and honest businesses on the internet today. |
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said this on 02 Jan 2008 4:06:46 PM EDT
I just wanted to comment that it's nice to come back and see some fair reviews from Todd and Michael, who are not members
of RFS or GRN. I'm a Global Resorts Network member, not using the RFS currently, just because I like my own system better, but I do have experience with it. Basically it's just a marketing system to sell a wonderful product, and it appears people are making too much out of nothing. Just like any system online, there will be none that is perfect or for everyone, and that's ok. I do see comments here that just do not make sense against it though, like having to put in your email address and then saying you will get spam. That is not what spam is at all. RFS has a legit opt in system where you can always opt back out. Here is where one cannot go wrong though. If you want to test RFS our for yourself, do so only because you are sold on GRN, a solid business that offers a wonderful product. In addition, if anyone reading needs more specific questions answered on RFS, this page may be of help: www.ReverseFunnelSystem101.com Happy New Year! Kim |
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said this on 06 Jan 2008 8:16:32 PM EDT
An interesting blog, to say the least. I find it interesting also that after several comments it finally came out what this "program" was selling. I have to admit, I sent my email address before I read this blog and did some research on the address and business name in the return mail from Ty Coughlin ~ Inner Circle ~ [maryannalberta_grn@expty.com] (this is the email address from wich the return mail was sent. wierd how Ty Coughlins mail is maryannalberta...lol) anyways here are the findings from the Better Business Bureau taken straight from the sight with the business name Dynamic Marketing Alliance LLC Nevada.
Better Business Bureau Serving Southern Nevada 2301 Palomino Lane Las Vegas, NV 89107 (702) 320-4500 Fax: (702) 320-4560 info@vegasbbb.org BBB Reliability Report Dynamic Marketing Alliance, LLC 1785 East Sahara Avenue #490 Las Vegas, NV 89104 General Information Type of Entity: Limited Liability Corporation Phone Number: (404) 920-6449 BBB Membership: This company is not a member Type-of-Business Classification: Marketing Programs & Services BBB Customer Experience The Bureau has processed no customer complaints on this company within the last three years or since its inception of business, whichever is less. Complaint History When considering complaint information, please take into account the company’s size and volume of transactions, and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm’s responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints. The Bureau processed a total of 2 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total (2) in 36 months, (2) was/were closed in the last year. Complaints concerned: 1 - Refund or Exchange Issues BBB Definition: Refund or Exchange Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor company policy or verbal commitment to provide refunds, exchanges, or credit for products or services. 1 - General Refund or Exchange Complaint Issues 1 - Guarantee or Warranty Issues BBB Definition: Guarantee or Warranty Issues - Claims alleging failure to honor the terms regarding guarantees or warranties. 1 - Failure to honor money-back guarantees Of the above 2 complaints in the last 36 months, (2) was/were closed in the last year as: 2 - No Response BBB Definition: No Response - The company failed to respond to the complaint. 2 - Company failed to respond to the BBB or to the consumer to resolve the issues. License Information As of 11/2/2007, the Bureau has been UNABLE to confirm this company has a valid local business license BBB Definition: License - A permit or accreditation required by the State, Province, County or Municipality where a company is located indicating competence or professional certification that allows the company to provide products or services related to their particular field or industry. for the locale in which they operate. IF A CONSUMER DOES BUSINESS WITH AN UNLICENSED FIRM, THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK. Report BBB Definition: Report - A summary of activity reflected in a company’s BBB file. Includes basic business background, BBB membership information, and Bureau complaint activity over the previous three years. Also reports may include any known government actions, advertising issues or other information that results from activity conducted by the BBB. as of 1/6/2008 Copyright 2005 Better Business Bureau of Southern Nevada, Inc. The information contained in this report has either been provided by the company or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources believed to be reliable. BBB reports can not be reproduced for sales or promotional purposes. As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment. Information contained herein is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time. The link is here: http://www.vegasbbb.org/rptrel.asp?bbbid=75645 I will post more as I dig deeper. |
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said this on 07 Jan 2008 2:32:13 AM EDT
wow..... i'm still 14.... and i think this is called a multi level marketing scheme.... just thinking... correct me if i'm wrong....
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said this on 07 Jan 2008 2:41:34 AM EDT
ps... what is the investigator saying?..
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said this on 08 Jan 2008 12:53:21 AM EDT
Wonderful article! Wow....I am so amazed at how gullible people are. As a work at home mom myself, I can understand the desperation people have to make money quick though something like this. Any job where you are going to make money will require WORK. I am in the tech industry and work for a large company who allows telecommuting and I also do some PT temporary work for one of the search engines. Believe me...I did not get these jobs overnight. It took a lot of research and hard work. I feel sorry for these poor people who fall victim to these Amway-like scams. Great article!!
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said this on 08 Jan 2008 10:57:02 AM EDT
This has two parts to it. 1) Global Resorts Network is real, the product is real, and from what I can tell the savings are huge. This is of course the best deal for a couple, or maybe with one child. I think most rooms will be for a max occupancy for 2. But for these people, it is a great product at a great price.
2) Reverse Funnel System is what caused the whole thing to become scam-like in nature. It is actually giving it a bad name. For those who research around, they would get to see the Policies and Procedures of the company GRN. They would find that Dynamic Marketing Alliance, a.k.a Ty Coughlin, is basically breaking just about every guideline set forth. Sec 4.2.1 deals with not using deceptive advertising, and having any sites or advertising approved first by GRN. Sec 4.2.2 Affiliates should use GRN provided templates for websites, or have their own approved but use company provided content. Sec 4.2.3 Domain names. Should not be using anything of GRN in name, and notice many have GRN in the URL, or GlobalResorts something. Sec 4.2.6 deals with email, and using deceptive subject lines. Seen plenty of these, and product is not the subject...only making money. Sec 4.3 “Bonus buying” includes: (a) the enrollment of individuals or entities without the knowledge of and/or execution of an Independent Affiliate Application and Agreement by such individuals or entities; Ty's site does this very thing, you are not aware of any agreement, just submit the application to him with an extra $200 'processing fee' (also prohibited) Sec 4.6.2 deals with income claims. Because GRN Affiliates do not have the data necessary to comply with the legal requirements for making income claims, an Affiliate, when presenting or discussing the GRN opportunity or Marketing and Compensation Plan to a prospective Affiliate, may not make income projections, income claims, or disclose his or her GRN income (including the showing of checks, copies of checks, bank statements, or tax records). How many times I have seen the sales made and balance sheets, I cannot begin to tell you. Sec 4.14 Affiliates must not manipulate enrollments of new applicants and purchases of products. All orders must be entered online by the customer through the GRN website of the sponsoring Affiliate. Ty's site has you fill out CC information with them, and you don't see any GRN application at that point, only the cost of the platinum membership and the $200 processing fee, after the $50 application fee. Sec 5.4 Affiliates must provide the most current version of the Policies and Procedures and the Compensation Plan to individuals whom they are sponsoring to become Affiliates before the applicant signs an Affiliate Agreement. Current Policies and Procedures can be viewed or printed from GRN’s website. Notice it says before. Ty's site does not allow for this. Pay first, only to find out you had options later. Sec 8.1 deals with the 3-day 'right to recision' and you can check out GRN, and in 3-days cancel and get you %100 refund back. Of course, through Ty's site, it has cost you at least $250 to take a look around. Forget the $150 refund guarantee. You must do what he says to get that, which means pay all costs to him and be a full platinum member. You will be paying him no less than $550 before you could attempt to get a refund, if it exists. So, bottom line, all RFS members who use 'the funnel' are pushing Platinum sales only, with no choice for Gold or Free, no disclosure of the PandP, making outrageous claims, pushing the signup over the product (product is 2nd to making money by signup, which lends to the 'Pyramid' effect, although it is not one). Anyone who reads this, try sending a complaint with what I have outlined above to support@globalresortsnetw ork.com and reference the RFS and Ty Coughlin's site...not all GRN Affiliates are this way. I have found a few that legitimately sell the product, but they are drowning in this crap he spurred on. I don't know that it will help, maybe GRN likes all the sales despite the practice. Try calling 623 434-7485 and see if anyone is willing to consider action. I think I will see if there is a way to initiate an investigative reporter to expose this. This is not against GRN, only RFS and those who use the 'funnel' because again, it is promoting the pyramid and not the product, and is preying on the vulnerable who don't realize it takes money to make money; advertise and work at it. Not automated cash flow. |
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said this on 08 Jan 2008 12:42:08 PM EDT
I am in the process of looking into GRN and so far it is a legitimate and separate business. I'd like to know if the fee is once per year (for any of the levels) or if it's one time. It is clearly stated on the website what the fee is.
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said this on 10 Jan 2008 6:04:33 PM EDT
If you are looking for a ground floor opportunity you should check into Pronetmatrix.com have you ever heard of Excel communications it was one fo the largest long distance communicators in the world. ProNet Matrix is very similar. I am 23 years of age full time college student its working out for me. email me back if you like info if not that alright to. akeemscott@gopronet.com
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said this on 19 Jan 2008 12:12:27 PM EDT
Dude... Sorry you used Excel as a reference - it "imploded" long ago - and proved shaky MLM's run by greedy people in the top "founding member" levels will only cascade to failure when those folks leave for the next "best widget" program... Good luck in your endeavors - and I hope you find a way to insulate yourself from the inevitable crash of the pyramid. Signed - "an old excel independent rep"
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said this on 11 Feb 2008 10:41:38 PM EDT
Excel imploded because the telephone industry changed, not because of 'greedy people at the top. Get your facts straight. They were in the business of selling long distance. Technology changed the world with unlimited cellular minutes, voice IP on the internet, etc. It's so stupid for people to go around with this lack mentality always feeling like someone else at the top, or above them makes all the money. If that's how you think the world is for you then that's what you'll get. you sig says you were in it before . . . did you get in near the end of the lifespan of the business product?
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 10:27:17 PM EDT
That platinum and gold are one time fees. Platinum is 100 years and the gold is 3. The $100 fee for the GRN website is yearly.
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said this on 08 Jan 2008 10:32:16 PM EDT
Hi annemoss,
I have a membership, the fee is one time. I bought the lifetime membership but there is also a three year. It is a great membership. The busines opportunity they have available with this is very good. I joined because the product is something I believe in and therefore is easy for me to promote. Some people don't realize that there is a way to promote GRN without having to buy the membership but I still would strongly suggest getting it because it's a great value. If you have any questions feel free to visit my site and send me an email or call. Hope this helped www.lucrativetraveling.com |
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said this on 08 Jan 2008 11:54:48 PM EDT
GRN is a waste....if you do not bother searching for travel deals...ok go head..but they are not giving anyone any real deal..I work in the Travel industry and we do what they do everyday...the differance is they are pitching it with a membership...instead of marking up the hotels you are paying upfront..there is no secret to this and really...uou can save more if you do the legwork
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said this on 11 Jan 2008 2:39:31 AM EDT
Oh, yeehah! A website where we can contact you.
Thanks Akeem! Oh, see you on the 'other side'! |
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said this on 09 Jan 2008 4:02:23 PM EDT
Its clear to me that the technique used by RFS is to flood google and the search engines with positive comments about RFS in order to attempt to hide negative comments and give a false positive impression.
It is difficult to find negative comments about what is clearly just another pyramid scam, which can only be explained by those who run the scam buying up advertising space on the search engines. Since this article is probably the most highly ranked article with 'balanced' views about RFS, not surprisingly, they've been attempting to flood this article with their positive comments. Anybody with an ounce of sense would know that to get money out of a pyramid scam, you have to be in it at the start and get to the upper levels. By the way, am I the only one who can write in paragraphs? |
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said this on 09 Jan 2008 6:16:52 PM EDT
I'm not sure what you are talking about with marking up hotels. I am not trying to argue I do want to get the right facts out though. People will decide whether it's for them or not. Grn doesn't send you to hotels. These are four and five star resorts there are over 5000 of them worlwide. I did my homework and couldn't find any deals that compare to this. I can travel anytime, anywhere, and as often as I want for life and their customer service is great.
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said this on 10 Jan 2008 8:11:56 PM EDT
Typical for any new system to be shouted from the rooftops to be the "Best Ever". When doing research on the Reverse Funnel System, it became quickly apparent that the "system" was being sold much more than the "product". This was a huge red flag when searching for a solid, legitimate business model. I have yet to come across any successful "business" where you don't have to talk to anyone; where a system does everything for you. The ad copy is great, but not anything I would be proud to promote. Many people have fallen victim to the hope that this "system" would somehow "take them out of the equation". Why would you possibly want to take yourself out of the equation. You're the one that wants to be in business for yourself, right? Why would you want to leave your results in the hands of some "system"? Don't you want to know that you are in control of your own destiny? Building a business is hard work, but also the most rewarding. (other than charitable work) Believe in yourself and take action! Don't fall for the old "we'll do everything for you", "just sit back and collect your money" approach. There may be someone sitting on a beach chair collecting money, but it will unlikely be you. I work with a team of true professionals, ethical and honest in all that we do. We search out the absolute best prospects to be apart of our growing team, people that are finally ready to build a business of their own with the support of our top mentors. We also provide all members with FREE websites and marketing systems. Look, it's $3,000 to get started, there's no need to spend another $300 on some "system" you're unfamiliar with and another few hundred dollars in marketing expenses. We are an Elite team of individuals who really care about your success, and it's easy to see the difference immediately. To learn much more (only if you're serious) go to: http://www.GRNEliteTeam.com and check things out for yourself. Continue to research your options, you'll be glad you did. See you on the other side!
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said this on 11 Jan 2008 2:35:08 AM EDT
Another posting from me. My original is on said this on 08 Jan 2008 10:57:02 AM EST.
I continue to research, and in fact, I contacted the company GRN regarding the RFS. Big surprise...no response. Ever check into it? You need a sponsor. So, when did they launch the first campaign for the first sponsors? Anybody? Let's call him Ty. Does Ty have a sponsor? You take it from there. Credit Cards not accepted through GRN...only affiliates. Need cash, check, money order....you take it from there. Hotel stays: The disclaimer is the resort is not guaranteed, we are selling you the area. Guess what? I pick the resort along with the area. I can get Best Western as cheap. ...yours again. I did some research and analysis on those resorts they do have. Most cam up as 2.5 - 3 stars. They have 4-5, but it's the area, not the exact hotel. Maybe they have one room negotiated which allows them to promote it, but good luck. Once again, your research should help you here. The affiliate I thought sounded most legit, told me Platinum sounded like it was right for me. No kidding (not my best choice of words). Guess I should buy a platinum membership then. I have failed to see ANY site promoting the product FIRST. Nope, the affiliate program and your untold wealth. Hmmm. Look, ANYONE who references their own website in this blog....STAY AWAY!!! Same predator in nature, different skin. Bottom line: NOBODY has a secret system. It's all peddling the same crap, different package. The only secret is you don't know what they are pushing. But trust me, it is not a secret. I am so thankful to God I continued to research, and saved myself from throwing away tons of money on this scam. Many are making money on RFS and similar links, but I highly suggest you steer clear. PLEASE. I am continuing to research opportunities. I found a site where you can bid on merchandise. I painfully went through each product being sold, and compared it to eBay, and found that a couple actually sell for a lot( big gains). But most just do not sell at all. So, that is my effort. What is worth buying to resell, and what is flooding the market and will simply take up space and drain my account. Of course, there are sights which do this same research better, but I have not committed yet. Wish I had a site to help you, but I do not. I wish all luck, and hopefully you will heed advice from those who continue to research and share. If I do find a way to make money, my vow is to share it, not sell it. I am looking for a way to meet the demands of college for my three kids, pay off creditors and one day create some money to help me buy a franchise. That's it! Not get rich, just create what I need. If I can create more, so be it. No offense Kim Ward of Team AFL....but it is not worth it. If you like Kim, you can reach her at http://www.automateforlife.com/afl-team-afl.htm But, Google GRN and all derivatives and you can do your own homework. If you are vulnerable, then it (GRN) is perfect for you. :-( As for me and my conscious, we will sleep well knowing we helped some people, not hurt them for personal gain. |
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said this on 11 Jan 2008 11:04:33 PM EDT
Guess what? I don't have a website either! But I do own a GRN membership. Nope I am not an affiliate I am a college student. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you or anybody else of anything. It's quite apparent you already have your mind made up and think you know everything. Funny, I never had a problem contacting them as a matter of fact it has been just the opposite. I have been impressed at there fast response. You are wrong about a lot of things but like I said, there's no use in me pointing them out. By the way, if anyone wants to see the inside of some of these resorts by people who have taken vacations in them and took there video cameras along you will find some on you tube. I guess me and my conscious will sleep well tonight too knowing that I just didn't sit back and watch someone discredit something he knows nothing about and for the record I think your personal attack on someone was just about the childish thing I ever seen. You sound like a young kid.
I really do hope that you find a way to make money online to fund your kids college but I seriously doubt it with your type of attitude. |
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said this on 15 Jun 2008 2:02:05 AM EDT
Hi John, that is not my site, just a generic AFL site. Mine looks
line that, but has my personal info inside. I'm a little confused on your post, and why you would think GRN is not a viable business, but I do thank you for the recommendation for those who are looking at Global Resorts Network. You are correct, there are no secret systems. In fact, what sells systems so well is people telling you are great they are, IMHO. :) Personally, I'd like to see more focus on GRN though. Have a great year, and I wish you the best in success in whatever you find is right for you. If you ever need any guidance, feel free to give me a call. Yours in success, Kim Ward 877.878.4059 |
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said this on 11 Jan 2008 7:23:36 PM EDT
Saved me a headache I believe!!
I have been looking for a way to make money online, from home, for some time. I have been out of work on an injury and thought I'd see what was out there. I've looked into a lot of them, and liked the fact that this was associated with a travel membership. But the 3,000. initial outlay was enough to stop me dead in my tracks. and I had to pay 50.00 to find that out. The most beneficial thing to me from this whole string offered here, was the phone number to call to get my 50.00 application fee back. thank you for posting that. ( 1-850-222-2288 ) Here's the thing that struck me as soon as I made that call, THE MAN THAT ANSWERED THE PHONE WAS THE SAME VOICE AS ONE OF THE PROMOTERS ON TY'S WEBSITE. I know voices, and I was shocked to hear him speaking to me. I did get the refund, thank you, but IF they are all so successful, why wouldn't they have a firm hired to handle such menial tasks???? Good luck to you all, I'm gonna keep looking |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 10:15:12 PM EDT
It is a small business, why hire help for such menial tasks?
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said this on 12 Jan 2008 9:26:29 AM EDT
Discouraged
Hang in there! I know how upsetting it can be trying to sort through all the hype that is on the net but there are many legitimate ways to earn a living online. It took me a year of frustration to finally find something I can stand behind. My biggest frustration was the fact that I studied and knew how to market but couldn't find something I wanted to settle into. I will be honest The Reverse Funnel System was something I joined and quickly realized it was something I in no way could stand behind, however the product this system promotes was. So I quit Reverse Funnel and found a different way to share it. Anyway, in looking for ways to make money online I want to give you a couple alternatives. Affiliate Marketing can be very profitable if done correctly, if you take this route I would recommend Ewin Chia's Superaffiliate membership. He will teach you step by step how to become a super affiliate. Another great way is in creating your own information product, there are steps to figure out what market to do that in but it is off the topic of this blog. As for me, GRN was right up my alley it's actually the product (service) that convinced me, the biz op and the payplan was just icing on the cake. I wish you all the best in your search for something that's right for you. I know it can be discouraging but it is well worth it when you finally find it. If you decide you want more info on GRN feel free to visit my site or contact me, there is a way to join the business opportunity as a free affiliate if the membership fee is to much of a stretch but in any case if GRN isn't what you are looking for I would suggest looking into the other two areas I mentioned. I really do wish you the best of success. I love it when honest, hard working people succeed. Hang in there! www.lucrativetraveling.com |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 2:14:31 AM EDT
Great Article Anne. It's good to such cons being exposed for what they are. Of course, when there is an article written critical of a scam some of the scammers will flood the comment section All they do is flood the internet, because that is their playing field. Its all about creating positive publicity. I've seen Johathan Budd, Kim and a few others here and on several other websites defending this little scam which really only benefits them and their higher ups. I mean, if I were in an internet scam I would be scanning all the google hits that aren't endorsed by RFS. Again, good job.
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said this on 15 Jun 2008 2:09:41 AM EDT
Robert, there is another Kim in GRN that uses the RFS. Perhaps
you have me confused with her? Either way, I have not defended it or place negative posts endlessly online about it. I have made comments both ways though. I even tested it out for myself for 2 months. It is what it is, some love it, some do not. And that's ok, IMHO. As long as people know what they are getting into, and know there are other ways to promote GRN. Have a great day! Kim WARD. :) |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 10:12:54 PM EDT
I agree with some of the points here. RFS seems like crap. I have been in for a month and I have got 1 sale. I think I got lucky. It will probably be phased out soon.
One thing that is true, Global Resorts Network is awesome. I travel a lot so the membership is a life saver. I think if you are a good salesperson or had a good way to market the membership, you would make some money. GRN is where it's at. You will have a lot of happy customers, and that means refferals. The BBB or scambusters have nothing on Global Resorts Network. There was another company called Global Resorts Services, but they are not affiliated. I like to help my team out, because it helps bigtime. The way GRN's payplan works makes it in your best interest to help your downline grow just like you. I would love for someone under me to blow up bigger than myself. If you think this is you, give me a call. Click my name to see the Global Resorts Network. 304-319-2837 |
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said this on 17 Jan 2008 3:21:10 PM EDT
GRN has a clear record at BBB but some company affiliated, Perpetual Leverage does. Were they an affiliate? And isn't this an MLM style business?
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said this on 16 Jan 2008 12:48:24 AM EDT
I would agree. The RFS preys on the lazy. So many people have made zero sales. This is just Glanville and Coughlin and the rest trying to rip people off. I mean 300 a month and 15 per 50 buck lead. Plus all the referral money then probably get from placing ads via their site. Sure these guys make 250k a month. But it is from the suckers who pay it. Who wants a team full of lazy people who think direct sales is about automation. The charge back ratio must be through the roof as they even take 250 off each sale you make.
It is just a shame they have ruined a great product. I am sure soon they will jump to promoting another oppty that will cost another few grand and the perennial oppty jumpers will fall for that too. I mean 20k a page copy and the best they can come up with is some dude in a speedo giving me the hang low sign. Real nice. The only ones laughing to the bank are the ex LLI'ers who run it. |
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said this on 18 Jan 2008 3:27:16 AM EDT
Pyramids are pretty simple :
let's assume the pyramid has 10 layers. And every member recruits 10 new member layer 1 has ty layer 2 has 10 people layer 3 has 100 people layer 4 has 1000 people layer 5 has 10000 people layer 6 has 100000 people layer 7 has 1000000 people layer 8 has 10000000 people layer 9 has 100000000 people layer 10 has 1000000000 people now, if you would start at layer 5, you would have to recruit people, but so are 10000 other persons, so you have a lot of competition from people selling the same product. automated system or not, if everyone is using the same system, there will be equal recruitment/sales. If you calculate that there are for example 1000 people recruited every month, this means you will recruit one of them once in 10 months. to get 10 recruits will take about 8 years. the people you have recruited can't probably get any new sales, since the pyramid is already at level 7, consisting of more than a million people. This is the typical chainletter principle... Don't fall for it... |
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 10:33:45 AM EDT
Frank, you're funny man... if saturation was possible in business, there'd be no more burger franchises, no more walmarts being opened, and no more TRAVEL businesses opening up... haha...
But let's say you are right, I wouldn't mind 100,000 people in my organization... :o) |
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said this on 18 Jan 2008 10:19:32 AM EDT
The principle of the Reverse Funnel System is a pyramid yes. But selling the Global Resorts Network product isn't. That is why you need to differentiate the two. People just throw out the word pyramid so loosely, it is pretty ignorant. The Grn product is very good. Just the way most people are marketing it is wrong and will lead to a lot of people losing money because of the ex LLI'ers who are ripping you off beyond belief charging you 300 a month. Pretty soon they will all jump to another "income stream" hoping a percentage of the people will then jump at the next better thing. I hope they do it shortly so they leave GRN to the real marketers.
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said this on 19 Jan 2008 2:30:53 AM EDT
i recently myself payed the $50 dollar application fee to get a damn link to more bullshit and to learn after all there sales pitches it costs 3k to join ppl can talk all the hype they want about the reverse funnel system.. That fact is the global resorts network is great but the reverse funnel system is using it to take full advantage of peoples money. i was skeptical at first until i Looked up Dynamic Marketing Alliance, LLC which is the company that the reverse funnel system is marketed by. so i looked there name up on the Better business bureau of nevade because thats where the company is located very interesting facts let me highlight a few heres is some proof a legit company would be a member of the better business bureau and in sight of there investigation it clearly highlights that dynamic marketing is not so thats a draw back and other is the BBB tried contacting the company with no results again the same response us people get when we want our money also someone else pointed out that there emails say something like " Ty Coughlin ~ Inner Circle ~ " but everytime i get one it is from a different email ===>
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said this on 19 Jan 2008 10:57:45 AM EDT
Quite an interesting article. Thanks you for your insight. I "ran into" the Reverse Funnel System today while researching online travel careers. I have seen many similar promotional "come-ons" for other entrepreneurial online businesses. To ask for an initial $50.00 without a hint of the actual business was a red flag. Your article, as well as other online comments, has confirmed what I thought. I'm passing on this "opportunity."
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said this on 20 Jan 2008 12:50:34 AM EDT
I am shocked by how naive and stupid people can be. Of course there are people who really do have a legitimate interest in the product but there are so many idiots out there who buy the travel packages and overpriced website crap because they want a slice of the pyramid pie. I found out about this from my fiance who was raving about making 20k a day with this program and he was about to shell out the $50 bucks for an "application fee to see who REALLY wanted it" I am so glad I researched this and realized that his "team 16k" was actually known by dozens of other names with the exact same lame layouts. It took me a while to find your site but I am so glad that I did because it explains everything. I knew it was a scam, but my fiance is the gullible type who buys into anything get rich quick crapola. This is my advice: If you are interested in the travel discounts, go ahead and do it, but I recommend veering as far away from the actual "money making" aspect as possible and going directly through the main travel club website. If you are looking to make money through the internet, you should try and do it in a way where there is no possible way of getting ripped off and charged outrageous fees every month for "services" that have no guarantee of working and travel discounts you may never want or even be able to afford. Work hard on your own business and I bet your chances of success will be MUCH better.
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said this on 22 Jan 2008 9:50:36 PM EDT
Global Resorts Network is by far the best oppty in the marketplace. It is a shame that the Reverse Funnel System is getting such bad press but not everyone uses it with Global Resorts. I am with a team that does not do that. We teach people how to market this product to people that have a database of customers that will likely buy this product if properly introduced. It is old school but it sure works! The RFS can work for some but direct sales is a person to person business and the way we do it is the real way to do it. Our marketing campaigns and strategies bring in big producers who dont need such crutches like the RFS. Any questions feel free to email me at vacationofwealth@gmail.com All the best!
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said this on 23 Jan 2008 12:52:47 AM EDT
I cannot believe how poorly researched this article is. I would think it was linkbait, if you had a link to your own GRN site. But here is the truth. RFS is not for everyone. Its a great marketing system. But it attract other marketers. Regardless of your system you choose to use to sell the amazing product of Global Resorts, it is up to you. There are people making serious money with this business. But it is not done overnight. It is done with hard work and marketing your business.
If you think you can buy yourself a business for less than $3000, than you know nothing of the business world. Thats what GRN is. A real business with REAL benefits. Tax, financial, work from home. All those great things. You have to have a good foundation and real desire to work from home. As for the Reverse Funnel System a scam. It is definitely not. And for people who do not like that exact marketing system. There are others to choose from. For the people who want to know why they cannot just order the product from Global Resorts. It's because the product is the foundation for our business and you must purchase from someone who is authorized to sell. You would not try to go to Toyota's corporate office and buy a car. You have to purchase from a dealership. Does that make sense. Anyways, if you are here reading and researching Global Resorts and RFS. Don't just take my word for it or anyone else here. Do your due dilligence and Look everywhere. There are lots of good things said about RFS and lots of negaive comments. It is because. Success breeds competition. It is also because. Not everyone succeeds at this business and thats just plain the truth!! But if you put your hard work in, learn to market online. Just dont go out and buy leads. You can learn this business or any other that you choose. Have a great day and good luck to you. email me if you have any questions wealth@secrets-of-inner-circle.com |
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said this on 25 Jan 2008 4:08:11 PM EDT
Amazing to me how uneducated people truly are & that includes the author of this blog, Anne Moss Rogers.
What home-based business do you operate Anne? How do you make money? Oh yeah, you recruit people in some way, shape, or form. How does any business make money? Oh yeah, they recruit people to buy from them, they recruit people to work for them, and so on. When you have little knowledge, you write blogs that offer little value. Capitalism is based on the art of recruiting. You would think a lady who claims to be in advertising would understand that. Do me and the general public a huge favor and post more information on horny whales and cheating husbands. You obviously know nothing about business, online or off. |
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said this on 25 Jan 2008 11:42:27 PM EDT
Thank you!
My hunch is that those defending this system are those who are involved at the top. It happens in politics all the time when the people on the inside tell stories and accusations for the purpose of creating doubt. Again, thanks for the detail analysis of this business venture. Jonas |
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said this on 01 Feb 2008 12:32:13 PM EDT
a system for making money? because if it was that easy we would all be doing it wouldnt we! the article is a one sided opinion and that is all it is from some one with industry knowledge but the fact is that if you have found this page then you must have a had a bit of doubt in your mind in the 1st place as to how this worked, its not a scam as that is illegal but its not the be all and end all to money making. if you want to put your money into this then fine do it but dont moan because someone with experience has given there point of view, if they hadnt done so and u got screwed i can garantee you would be the first to complain that no one had guided you. im giving this a 3 as its only a one sided arguement.
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said this on 02 Feb 2008 4:49:28 PM EDT
I have been researching for the RFS and GRN for last couple of days. I am not member of any of these opportunities yet but I am making more than $1000 just from adsense with a single site. I don't feel any need even to name my site here because my visitors find that on SEs whenever they want.
I feel that the people who are supporting the RFS are those who are members of the system. And those opposing are those people who have never experienced the system or have very little experience. It is surprising for me that some people have made sales with RFS within weeks or months without having any previous marketing experience. Anyway the bigger chunk of users are supporting the system. And I have seen none of the system on internet which does not have complaints. If RFS does not work for some people but working for majority then it should not be considered a scam at least. I feel it understandable when the system requires investment. You should not expect making $4000-$5000 a month without investing the amount which is required. My past 6 years working on the internet is compelling me to test the system. I know that once I will place the system on my site, it shall start working within hours (I get more than 30,000 visitors every month) but I fear whether it shall work for my customers or not? I fear that if I promoted the system and it did not work for my customers, the game for me shall be over for a long time. |
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said this on 04 Feb 2008 3:01:55 PM EDT
Amazing comments on this RFS. I've been a member now for several months and am not at all pleased with it. Each day someone signs up for it, fewer chances exist for me to sell one. I've built my own site for this and promoted it over Google and Yahoo and no one has taken a bite out of it in a month and a half. I think there may have been a time when you could make money with it, but there are so many doing it now that almost any site you go to has two and three banners for RFS o it. The answer to making money on the internet is being the only one with the product that a lot of people want. At 3K bucks, this is not any bargin and the true cost is maybe only about $500. The rest goes up the ladder to the guys that got it all started. Good luck to all who try, but this 67 year old is about to bail out and save myself over $300 a month in processing and user fees. If you're doing this program, you may want to consider the same.
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said this on 04 Feb 2008 3:03:04 PM EDT
Amazing comments on this RFS. I've been a member now for several months and am not at all pleased with it. Each day someone signs up for it, fewer chances exist for me to sell one. I've built my own site for this and promoted it over Google and Yahoo and no one has taken a bite out of it in a month and a half. I think there may have been a time when you could make money with it, but there are so many doing it now that almost any site you go to has two and three banners for RFS o it. The answer to making money on the internet is being the only one with the product that a lot of people want. At 3K bucks, this is not any bargin and the true cost is maybe only about $500. The rest goes up the ladder to the guys that got it all started. Good luck to all who try, but this 67 year old is about to bail out and save myself over $300 a month in processing and user fees. If you're doing this program, you may want to consider the same.
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said this on 04 Feb 2008 10:54:38 PM EDT
To the commenter above. I feel your pain. The net it appears is full of the RFS banners. Too many people though are putting them in the same spots. The internet is monstrous but too many people just follow the examples of where to put them instead of thinking of new places to put them to attract people who might have the same background of the poster.
I dont use RFS as at 299 it is not worth it. There is no reason the cost is that high. You are wrong though about the product. The global resorts product has amazing value. The co founders deserve kudos for setting up this relationship with the parent company. Just cause Mcdonalds charges 1.39 for a cup of coke that cost 3 cents or Nike sells sneakers for 150 bucks that cost 3 bucks to make is not a valid arguement. This GRN product can save you a ton over time and you can stay at some pretty sweet places for dirt cheap. To make money with Global Resorts Network you need to utilize other methods. We are having great success marketing this product to people that already have lists of people who would be open to buying this. It is a great downsell product. There is a new site called GRN team builder that is out now that costs 79.95 a month. I imagine it will take away a lot of RFS business as it really does the same thing. If you want to learn more about some old school methods to market and have success with GRN then feel free to call me. Or if you want to learn more about the GRN team builder. Success to all in 2008! Chris vacationofwealth@gmail.com 877-776-7503 |
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said this on 06 Feb 2008 8:12:32 AM EDT
This article has saved me some money. A reversed funnel looks like a pyramid. This is an old fashioned pyramid scheme. The top guys will make the money before it collapses. Thanx Anne.
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said this on 06 Feb 2008 9:57:47 AM EDT
You people all cal the RFS an "Amazing Product" without telling why it is. I've seen "Chris" and "Kim" on other sites that display the RFS in a negative way, and what they are saying here is copy-pasted.
What we need to do is get 4Chan in here to pull a raid on RFS. Pull it down to the ground. I might go give them a call now. |
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said this on 15 Jun 2008 2:17:12 AM EDT
CC666, my posts are never copy-pasted. You may have seen some
comments from me that were nor favorable of RFS, and I still stand by those, but feel people have a right to use and enjoy any system they like. There are pros and cons with any system, and I do not mind sharing my insight on that. Have a great Father's Day weekend everyone! Kim |
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said this on 06 Feb 2008 11:50:46 AM EDT
Reverse funnel garbage... pile of lame bullshit for idiots. Stop being an idiot.
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said this on 07 Feb 2008 8:02:16 AM EDT
If you have money please invest it in GRN, you might get 4 and 5 star hotels and enjoy it. You might get 2.5 to 3 star accomodation and be dissabpointed. Really, if you gonna do it, go all the way. Decide, make a freeken decision and which ever consequences - deal with it. If you have a lot of money, then sell the product via RFS, whether its a pyramid sceme or not is really not the issue. The issue is MONEY, this article was written because of MONEY. IF YOU DONT HAVE MONEY then DONT go max out your credit cards to buy GRN membership via RFS. Don't use the RFS system, its expensive and might not work. It works for some people and others dont make a dime. IT's a GAMBLE people, so if you have money, GAMBLE you won't even feel the knock! If you don't have money, don't gamble, you will feel the pain! E-commerce did we forget that this market place is based on the original market place's rules? You have to WORK to EARN money!! Money makes money... In the end whether its a "SCAM" or not, its a GAMBLE!! I for one, choose how and when I want to gamble. The odds? - Come on, I urge you to go to your nearest casino and find out! Buying a product worth its value is what makes people rich, go back to the basics! If RFS is working for some people, FANTASIC, for those knowing better either through experience, sixth senses, COMMON SENSE, business SENSE, express yourself, SHARE the infomation, that's what the internet is all about. HINT: if you want to make money on the "internet", sell a product that has TRUE HONEST VALUE. Ann your article surely made a fuss, shows you.. I am a multimillionare, rich in opinion.
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said this on 07 Feb 2008 6:46:29 PM EDT
Hey guys,
Kapil here. First of all - I just want to express how DISAPPOINTED I am with many people in this thread.....that have (unfairly) bashed the Reverse Funnel System (some of which may be from competing companies...who knows?). I'm sorry - but this thread in its entirety is just garbage. So many mis-informed facts, misguided opinions, and general ridiculousness overall. I don't even know why *I* am responding. To me a long story short - The Reverse Funnel System works. Period. Is it as easy as they make it sound? No - like anything in life, there IS a learning curve. Do people make great money with RFS? (and dare I say, sometimes in a short amount of time). Yes. Based on the utter stupidity of this thread, I'm not even sure if it's worth talking about. People will be very biased one way or another (and in that sense, it appears as though I'm very biased towards favouring RFS). Bottom line? Do your homework guys. Do NOT listen to my opinion, someone else's opinion, etc., etc. as gospel. Do your own research, look up google, listen to what the experts have to say, etc., etc. This applies for anything in life. Cheers. |
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said this on 08 Feb 2008 1:52:39 PM EDT
The thread is getting more interesting. However, I am going to test the system. It is just $50 (one time) and $300 (monthly) to test the system. The remaining GRN is outstanding product which I feel I shall love. I have sufficient traffic at my site but planning to do the system as the RFS suggests. I shall tell you people honestly how does it work for me. If I fail any one will fail and if I succeed anyone can succeed.
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said this on 11 Feb 2008 9:33:33 PM EDT
Hey bud,
Just a few comments - If you get accepted into the RFS (and yes - there is a selection process.....only serious business builders are accepted), then you are refunded $35 of that $50 anyways. Also - You do NOT pay $300 monthly for the marketing system at first (depends which teams you join......don't quote me on this). Many teams offer an 'affiliate' program that allow you to share a merchant account with your sponsor. This allows for the newbie/affiliate to "get his/her feet wet" without having to spend $300 at first (without generating any sales). Once the newbie/affiliate starts kicking butt (i.e. making numerous and consistent sales), THEN the newbie/affiliate is encouraged to pay for the $300 marketing system . Also - a challenge to the person that said, "If I fail, any one will fail, and if I succeed, anyone can succeed." IF you "fail", can you please e-mail me EXACTLY what you did? I still don't see how someone can "fail" at RFS (unless they deliberately choose not to follow the 'system', or they choose not to work the business?). Cheers. |
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said this on 26 Feb 2008 1:55:14 AM EDT
I spent 12k on this system did everything I was told made 25 $50 leads and 2 sales. I would not consider this a good conversion rate. hhhmmmmm.
GRN and the comp plan is brilliant. It is not a Pyramid scam and you all should take a closer look. RFS I would tell everyone to stay away from. I have nothing but negetive comments of RFS. And honestly I wouldn't know how or where to start. Being told by "TY" himself that is was "MY FAULT" these leads were not converting was just unbelievable. The only "FAULT" is in the system "TY's System". ????? ALL STAY AWAY FROM REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM |
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said this on 08 Feb 2008 1:54:38 PM EDT
GRN team builders? They are violating GRN rules on the first place.
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said this on 09 Feb 2008 11:17:27 PM EDT
So if Ty is violating the Rules of GRN, why isn't the company doing anything about it. Guess the rules don't apply if the business and money keeps rolling in dispite the legality of it all.
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said this on 11 Feb 2008 3:39:11 PM EDT
All MLMs are basically pyramid schemes designed to acheive rapid market saturation by an exponential increase in sales people at the bottom tiers. Otherwise refered to as the business model for people whom are bad at math. The very few at the top of the pyramid make money, while the further down you are on the pyramid, the less likely you are to make anything.
The fundamental problem is, you end up with far more sales people than are actually necessary to sell the product/service being offered. So imagine if one out of every eight of your neighbors has signed up to sale this particular product/service (saturation) then your opportunity to actually sell the product/service is extremely limited as well as the ability to recruit any new sales people below you. Since the growth at the botton of the pyramid is exponential saturation is acheived rather rapidly, and so for the vast majority of people signing up there is no business opportunity at all. |
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said this on 12 Feb 2008 10:15:40 PM EDT
Well written informative article!
Before anyone signs up for the RFS, they need to ask themselves the question: where is the money coming from? As with any pyramid system, it's coming from the people below you in the pyramid. But, there is a finite amount of money involved, and since the people at the top of the pyramid are making so much money, someone has to lose money somewhere. That would be the people at the bottom of the pyramid. Will those who sign up really be raking in the money that is advertised? Or will they just be the suckers that the real money makers are taking it from? Real Internet Marketing takes a lot of work, and if you want to know how to do it, sites such as www.seomoz.org have great articles on how to get started, but be warned, it can be tough. |
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said this on 12 Feb 2008 10:16:47 PM EDT
Well written informative article!
Before anyone signs up for the RFS, they need to ask themselves the question: where is the money coming from? As with any pyramid system, it's coming from the people below you in the pyramid. But, there is a finite amount of money involved, and since the people at the top of the pyramid are making so much money, someone has to lose money somewhere. That would be the people at the bottom of the pyramid. Will those who sign up really be raking in the money that is advertised? Or will they just be the suckers that the real money makers are taking it from? Real Internet Marketing takes a lot of work, and if you want to know how to do it, sites such as www.seomoz.org have great articles on how to get started, but be warned, it can be tough. |
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said this on 13 Feb 2008 3:59:26 AM EDT
Thank you for the aritcle Anne, I think you have good intentions to protect consumers from wasting their well earned money but you did not conduct your due dilliegence and gather enough facts or evidence to support your claims. I am not here to promote the Reverse Funnel System or to discredit it as a scam. Instead, let me share my personal experience with the RFS and GRN. In December, my wife was looking into home based businesses in order to add additional income streams to our portforlio, spend more time at home and finally quit her job as a Trademark Attorney for a very prestigious firm. Our goal was to become compeletly mobile and run all our businesses (Trademark Law, Textile Import/Export, Furniture Company, and Now GRN) remotely. Obviously, GRN and the RFS was last on my to do list. But since I have an advertising background in Radio & Print the Reverse Funnel System was put in front of me by my beautiful wife by saying "Make this Work." Personally, I went through the presentation by Ty Coughlin and I was very skeptical. I've never been a fan of Network Marketing/MLMs and therefore I wouldn't have bought into the hype. However, she did and I support her decisions and I told myself that I would make this program work. The reason why I think the RFS attracts many potential propects is because it targets your emotional buying behavior. Like it or not research shows that up to 98% of buying decisions are made on an emotional level. The reality is that this program attracts two potential customers, people looking for the next great opportunity that will set the course to a prosperous financial future and professional marketers or investors. Before purchasing this program I would suggest that you have about $5,000+ to get going for the first few months and that you make sure the affiliate you are buying from will mentor you and coach you on how to market effectively. Be sure to contact your upline before making the Platinum purchase or even the $50 application fee. Ask him or her what their experience has been with the system thus far. Make them show you their results. If you are their first sale, chances are you are not going to have a good mentor. For instance my upline refered me to a generic website put up by one of the coaches and and that was it. Now he emails me all the time asking me for advice because my advertising campaigns are far more successful. But that all came at a price. Even with my advertising background and contacts, I started almost at square one with this system. I had very little experience marketing on the Internet, but I had made radio commercials before, so how hard could it be. The answer - I had a lot of learning to do. However, I decided to go into this venture as an investor. Meaning, I will pay for someone to optimize my Google Adwords campaign, hired a professional Internet Marketer as a mentor, and invested heavily in advertising. Now I'm starting to see results and I am building a decent size team. This is a real business and it takes a lot of effort, time, creativity, and research to succeed. If you buy into this plan thinking that you can place an ad here and there and expect thousand of dollars in return, you will be next posting on how the system failed you. What this business boils down to is you not the system. The quote "Systems Work..People Fail, It's That Simple" is inaccurate on so many levels. Do you think that if you buy a McDonald's franchise and do a terrible job at managing that it will succeed. Of course not! The most important element in any business is the human factor. Therefore, even with this system you have to add value to it in order to differentiate yourself from the other affiliates. You have to brand yourself, invest time into your downline, and actually care about your prospects in order to succeed. The $300/month marketing system is not the only option, GRN offers a quality website and marketing system for $30/month that promotes the travel membership without any hidden agenda. I happen to use both and test my results from each. It is very important to be completely honest with your potential prospects and tell them that they will have to put a lot of effort into the program to make it work. I haven't found a program or system anywhere that requires little effort to make money. Moreover, why are affiliates stealing leads from each other or hyping up the system as the second coming. These people are making it difficult for actual hard working individuals who are working to sell GRN with honesty and transparency. I happen to share everything with my downline, any subscriptions or memberships I let them have access to. Moreover, I spend a lot of time mentoring. Again, if you do not have a good mentor or Internet marketing experience the learning curve will be very steep. While this is not a scam, consumers do need to be aware that 75% of all promotion is hype. All businesses require substantial effort to succeed. Even though I promote this system, I do think that Ty and his Inner Circle have not been compeletely honest with their claims on how easy the system is to use. Hopefully, I've shed some light on potential prospects. There is an honest way to sell GRN without misleading people. And please if you only have enough money to buy the program and don't have enough for at least 3 months of advertising, save your money and find another program to work. I will not leave my number or website because all I want to do is inform and clear up this back and forth about Scam or No Scam. How about this "Business that requires hard work, motivation, planning, goal setting, and integrity in order to succeed."
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said this on 13 Feb 2008 3:35:03 PM EDT
The entire tone of your response is that of a marketer - your obviously promoting because your trying to recruit - how many travel memberships have sold, how many has the entire RFS sold to non-members ? That is one big measure of the value of an MLM - if the product being promoted is sold to anyone outside of the downline and done so in an open way then its a valid business. I would guess there may even be restrictions on outside selling and third party reselling by an agent that is not part of the downline. So please tell me if RFS allows me to buy advertising space and sell the vacation packages, provide vacation services and provide call call center services to support my travel package sales etc... ? If they do they are surely billing the downline members for these services - at most likely a higher rate that they could find elsewhere. Plain and simple it is an MLM scam - it is very close to a pyramid scheme(illegal in the US) but it saved from that fate by the fact that it is selling the travel package.
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said this on 14 Feb 2008 6:07:06 PM EDT
Your profile name says it all. I wouldn't waste my time trying to provide an articulate response to an uneducated, misinformed, truncated post like yours. You are part of the 90% that will fail in business whether online or offline.
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said this on 27 Mar 2008 2:13:19 PM EDT
Jaime, with your objective approach to this and probable all subjects, I would love to have you become in the future a friend of Home Business Success University. We are going to try very hard to bring balanced truth to all things home business. We have a blog started at www.hbsuniversity.com and my email is hbsu@pittmancenter.net. Thanks for your great comment. Ben Pittman - Pawleys Island, SC.
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said this on 13 Feb 2008 9:31:42 PM EDT
Jaime,
Very well said! Linda |
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said this on 14 Feb 2008 11:09:37 PM EDT
Excellent article Anne. You may have saved a lot of people from wasting their hard earned money.
Pyramids have evolved. Technically the new generation are considered legal because they are attached to legit, often high quality products or services. There is a product or service for the last person in to sell. However if you listen to any of them the sales pitch has little to do with the product, which is just there to lend credibility. The sales pitch is always about financial independence and chucking the corporate 9 to 5 rat race etc. Throwing in the caution that it takes effort and dedication, is not so much a disclaimer but rather lends legitimacy, positioning this as not a get rich quick scheme but a real opportunity for a go-getter. Never mind that what attracted us to it in the first place was the notion of easy money. So the actual product is “the dream” People care less about any end product being sold but rather how many people they can get under them also pretending that they are selling a product. You will never make a lot of money retailing the high quality end product whether its Amway, Usana, etc. You’ll make lots of money appealing to people’s greed and in some cases desperation. Apparently no seller of these dreams likes to admit to this. Probably because no one would buy. If you have to mask the real product, then while the system may be considered ligit the transaction starts feeling very dishonest. If you can replicate that transaction over and over again and get others to do it for you without it bothering your conscience then you’ll be successful. |
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said this on 15 Feb 2008 10:32:46 PM EDT
Great comment Herman.
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said this on 17 Feb 2008 1:01:52 PM EDT
I see the sharks are circling the brick walls...you are helping people with this article, so thx Ms. Rogers. :)
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said this on 19 Feb 2008 9:40:53 AM EDT
great "seed" article -- it has opened up an entirely pertinent debate. I too was seeking online income when i came across a similar scheme -- similar even in the name - Global Domains International- I love seeing all the people doing their research into things whic |


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