The Reverse Funnel System: Hype? Scam? Big internet money maker?
- By Anne Moss Rogers
- Published 10/11/2007
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Anne Moss Rogers
I've been writing targeted copy for over 2 decades across all media. For the last 15 years, I've been a freelance copywriter. Articles I write are usually based on something scientific like my latest whim. Sports Med Website , AnneMoss.com and Webprepro Blog and Webprepro eTutorial
View all articles by Anne Moss RogersWell it's a cool catch phrase for one. In a nutshell , it's a funnel affiliate system with a pyramid style business model. The top tier of The Reverse Funnel System rakes it in and the bottom tiers are a ways downstream and their cuts are smaller. You move up by recruiting and getting others to buy into the business model.
You set up a web site, get people to use your web site as a portal for signing up for a membership at Global Resorts Network, a travel-based membership club. Does it provide a great travel service? I'm not sure because so far I can only locate the key phrases stamped and repeated from different mouthpieces within the system who are trying to get sign ups and therefore make money. But it's may very well be legit and offer great value. But I do have to wonder how it could be a great deal with people getting a cut five tiers down (although it's small at that lower level).
But travel is all about cutting deals. There's actually a lot I don't know about the site but trust me, there will be comments posted. But it does remind me of pyramid systems of the past where people stop you in a store to sell you on they system and not the products. In this case the advertising, that you pay for of course, does that selling part for you and they have proven ads and marketing streams that you get as a member.
They claim it's completely automated but there is still someone behind you encouraging you to take the first step, then the next, then the next. The money is in the sign ups. I'm sure there are group heads that are more attentive and still others who won't even talk to the lower tiers as they are out to get new sign ups since that's where the big bucks lie. Some will coach you and others will abandon you in an effort to chase down new recruits although some will tell you that their recruits getting new recruits moves them up the chain which is true. It all depends on how long that person wants to be in it and what his/her goals are.
How come a millionaire has a web site that looks like it was developed by a kindergartner?
First of all, The Reverse Funnel System was developed by an entrepreneur named Ty Coughlin. He's apparently a millionaire which he no doubt is since he invented the system and he is the top tier of the "inner circle". His web site at present shows him in Hawaii with a lap top on a lounge chair. To be honest, the sensationalist style of the prose and the site turns me off but I was curious. But it's meant to hook those looking to make money on the internet and pull down the storied $10,000 per month and doesn't require education or any background other than being a go getter/recruiter.
Why would someone so rich have a web site done by himself that looks put together in a day?. If you hire great copywriters and top level programmers why put up a site that has not one lick of design sense or navigation know how? What happened to the web designers? Were they surfing? Not important you say? I can tell you it is an important element although pretty web site is not THE DEFINING one but the look of the site doesn't say to me that he is a credible "entrepreneur". But then it was designed to hook a certain type person.
The branding of the Reverse Funnel System
They've gotten good placement on the internet because they are using some of the same key phrases to dispel misgivings and promote The Reverse Funnel System. I have these listed in my blog. It's always been true when copy writing radio spots to repeat certain phrases a certain number of times so the consumer leaves with one with a consistent message about your business. In today's language, "branding".
As a copywriter, I noticed this right off the bat just like I noticed President Bush's rah rah speech to get all Americans on board to go to Iraq. We were sold a war in the same way someone would sell Coca Cola--by repeating key branding tag line phrases like "weapons of mass destruction" after so many beats. That much has stayed the same the entire time I've been in the advertising copy writing business. Present a consistent message over and over to develop a brand, get your foothold in the market, develop loyalty and name recognition.
There is almost a stepford wife consistency that knocks nonconformists like myself right off this kind of track. It may work for you and you are bathing in money, but I've never been a fan of pyramid setups and the aggressive recruiting style. There are new elements, though, from the old style ones where strangers came up and shook your hand so they could get your phone number and call you later.
Many in the system have finessed their approach to be less aggressive and more informational but always hitting that key visceral emotional response of "I want this to be true and I want to make $10,000 per month."Ironically, the new hard sell is a more subtle approach.
So what are the costs?
- Naturally, they don't tell you about the initial up front costs up front. You pay a $50 fee to send in an application. You are promised to get that fee back threefold. After you've invested the rest? Do you get that travel membership investment back? I doubt that. You bought a membership in a great travel club and you get benefits, right?
- There is a $200-$300 per month for a web site. I can do my own web site and hosting for $100 a year but apparently you have to be in the "system" since there are advantages for trafficking. I think the advantage is the trickle down effect and commission cuts on that per month charge to be quite frank. The money is in getting members to join the Inner Circle. It's incentive to keep recruiting.
- There is a price tag of $2995 for a Platinum membership to the Travel Club . There are other levels of membership that are less costly including a free affiliate membership that ends up costing about $100 from what I can surmise. The big sell is for the Platinum membership but in order to not lose a recruit they have the other options.
- There are advertising expenses around $200-$300 per month. At least that's what I can see at this point. It's already produced, tested and I'm sure that is the case. But at some point, you'd have to change it up to get the new biz buzz and web traffic happening since the market is getting saturated daily. If you do procter and gamble style for years you end up having to run media like crazy (very costly) when in fact a change in creative approach would work and you'd have to pay less in media costs because it's not the same tired message.
- So in order to recoup, you have to get others to sign up for the system. And most people will do that aggressively to get their investment back and make money. The initial recruiter who wants his recruits to get others to sign up so he can move up will be more attentive.
- Sure you have to invest to make money. But are you investing in something really tangible? I guess it is if what you want is great deals on travel maybe.
What registered on my bullsh*t meter?
- They hired $20,000 a page copywriters. Really? I am a copywriter and I can tell you that we don't make $20k per page on anything. And there isn't some special copywriter in the Cayman Islands cranking out $20k pages between his coral reef diving sessions either. I do well enough and have had some lucrative years but it's from hard work and creativity. Internet advertising pays the least. And I've done this 20+ years across all media including the internet.
- They claim "it's all automated" and they've removed the human element. Well, they have people on forums talking it up that resemble shills in their key phrase approach and consistent mantra. Sell, sell, sell, recruit, recruit, recruit. They do sort of let it sneak up on you and they offer enough to pique curiosity for sure--the new "subtle hard-sell approach". So there is a recruiting warpath that you have to keep up to drive traffic to your web site so you can get sign ups and you can make money. The advertising and the new member of the inner circle clicking the button is your goal. A human has to be the tide pushing you.
- The fact that they rarely mention the product and the one goal they have is to get you to sign up. This just bugs me. The product is so very secondary.
- It's boring. Promote, promote, promote, recruit, recruit, recruit, advertise, advertise, advertise. It may work, it may make money and eventually big bucks before the system peters out. Now people have gotten creative and developed products within the system but you'd better think and produce QUICK because there are people joining and trying to develop marketing systems for sale so fast your head will spin. You may gain insightful marketing knowledge but spending even two hours on social networks is beyond boring for this writer and anything formula gets old quick with me. But that's my personality.
- With people joining in droves you have to get them to sign up THROUGH YOUR WEBSITE which means eventually the market will be saturated and some poor slob who joined at the wrong time will lose when the top tiers have decided this idea has run its course and find greener pastures. So maybe the time to join is now? Or maybe it's already saturated? You're not going to find out those numbers.
This pyramid style internet marketing system may be for you but it's good to know everything up front if you're going to make an investment.
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254 Responses to "The Reverse Funnel System: Hype? Scam? Big internet money maker?" 
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 1:56:15 PM EST
Hi Anne,
Based on your article I would have to say you have very little to absolutely no experience in the home based business industry. You make judgments based on the fact that something "bugs you" well then guess what, it's not for you. Perhaps I should fill you in however that there are MILLIONS of people struggling to make money in the home based business industry. On top of that, there are MILLIONS struggling to make money online. But these are all scams right? There can't actually be legitimate home based businesses is what most people like you and others say would come out criticizing businesses yet not really knowing much about them at all. Business revolves around selling products. That's not a tough one to figure out. in the past, the direct sales industry REQUIRED human intervention in order to sell high ticket products and receive high ticket commissions. The reverse funnel system as far as I know is the first system to effectively sell these products completely automated, without needing to get on the phone and close prospects. Do you have to market your business? Of course you do. Thats what business is all about. Marketing and advertising. And with the reverse funnel system thats all you have to do. 50% of everything is done for you...meaning the offer is crafted so you can drive targeted prospects to the offer and have your business built for you. Posts like yours come from a completely un educated stance about what the home based business industry is. If people don't like these things, then STAY AWAY from the home based business industry, or fine another one. No one said you have to do anything. But many people who have NEVER had success before our experiencing it with the reverse funnel system, and to take that option away from others who might do the same is ignorant. The fact of the matter is, the reverse funnel system is a scientific based internet marketing system, designed to automate the process of selling Global Resorts Networks travel membership. Period. it's that simple. Any single person who WANTS to learn how to market on the internet, or advertise in general could achieve success in this business easier then possibly any business that has come before it. That's all I have to say about that. Yours Truly, Jonathan |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 10:19:43 PM EST
RFS still needs a certain human touch, as does any business. There is nothing about Global Resorts Network on scambusters or BBB.
If you think you have it check out GRN by clicking my name. 304-319-2837 |
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 10:20:48 AM EST
Jonathan knows his stuff... He's helped out a LOT of people in online marketing, and I hate to see someone with Jonathan's good heart get criticized on this page...
As for Amway bashers, I college buddy of mine who's now 23 is in Amway/Quixtar...(he got in when he was 19) and he's making $10K+ per month... If you're negative about mlm cuz you're using the "no one makes money in those things" you need to seriously look around at your job and ask yourself how many people will create a 6 figure RESIDUAL income working where you do... Here's a link to a video I did for people skeptical on network marketing... http://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=c2pqE6JDhx0 Yea, even Sylvester Stallone and his wife just founded a direct sales/mlm skin care company called Seriesse... So if you're so negative about network marketing, how about you and your buddies get together and start a picket line outside your local movie theatre where 'Rambo' is showing to display your anti-Stallone/anti-mlm feelings.. haha... People... just pick a business and get to work!! Reverse Funnel System Facts at http://www.RFSfacts.c om |
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said this on 28 Jan 2008 11:42:46 AM EST
Well since you're makin so much money on it, give me 3 grand and i'll leave u alone :)
thankies :D |
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said this on 03 Jul 2008 10:21:58 PM EST
Great post. This RFS thing is a scam. Can you con people out of money... ? YES!!! I hope you sleep good at night. And, God will remember.
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said this on 13 Feb 2008 3:24:10 PM EST
Back in the old days it was known as MLM, now you call it a home based business to avoid the stigma attached to MLM - why would there be a stigma with the term MLM - because so many people lost money and wasted time pursing a business model that only helps those at the top. Ty and RFS are nothing more than regurgitated and re branded/renamed Amway/Nuskin/Noni etc - I worked for multiple MLM based business as an executive, the richest people in this industry like any other business are the founders, I would suspect if investigated deeply enough you would find that Ty is either a fictitious actor or if he is real he would be involved in the vacation business one way or the other. My time share trading membership only cost me $500 and it lets me stay all over the world for as low as $50 per night - a much better deal. So Jonathan is absolutely a shill for the RFS and the RFS is nothing more than repackaged travel MLM business. I would dare any of the RFS users to compare their deal with one offered by http://www.nationwidetrav elbiz.com/ - an up front MLM travel business - I doubt there is much difference.
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said this on 13 Mar 2008 6:20:03 PM EST
Rob,
I would like more information about your timeshare trading membership. Is there a website for it? |
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said this on 24 Feb 2008 11:48:27 PM EST
I value the low down - Saved me from a scam!
It is all about recruiting gullible people with no mention of "WHAT" they would be doing. A SCAM if I ever saw one for that matter alone. |
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said this on 04 Mar 2008 6:33:42 AM EST
I'm with you Jonathan, and I'm also with "RFS" in a big way and doing quite well with it. Ms. Rogers "toots her horn" about her expertise in the field of "copy write." Give me a break!!! Damn woman, hire a proof reader!!! Perhaps take English Comp. #101. You have deplorable sentence structure, improper use of punctuation, poor diction, and mispelled words. Your rambling "giberish" and lack of style indicates to me that if you knew just 1/10th as much about "writing" as Ty Coughlin knows about "internet marketing," then you too might command $20,000/page. Until your skills evolve, perhaps you would like to visit my website, and Ty and I will help you generate enough income to "hire a professional to write for you." As an added bonus, you'll get first hand knowledge about something that you obviously know little about ...No, not "writing," but the "R.F.S.
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said this on 12 Mar 2008 4:18:12 PM EST
Dude you are seriously going to screw with someone writing and you in the same line botch the word "gibberish"? LOL you special people make me laugh!!!!
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said this on 25 Apr 2008 5:40:52 AM EST
Oooooooooooops, Frank: you misspelled the words "misspelled" and "gibberish" when (at 0633 on 4 March 2008) you attacked the web logger Ann Moss Rogers for, as you say "mispelled [sic] words" and "rambling giberish" [sic].
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said this on 08 Mar 2008 7:33:24 PM EST
Look everybody ! A shill.
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 12:43:11 AM EST
Jonathan you are leaving out some very important facts. MOST people who have joined including myself have spent many of thousands of dollars ($8,000+) advertising and advertising and advertising and dont get any sales. So let me ask you, if this is a completely automated system why are so many people failing? I had tens of thousands of people that visited my website and not so much as 1 paid $50.00 lead let alone a platinum sale. I had over 1200 optins. So what is the $300/month for the website for? Email follow up? The emails dont get opened or delivered because the Reverse Funnel Systems Email is BlackListed. Back Office? Not bad but not worth any where near $300/month. It it a complete Lie to say that the ''system'' is automated and that it takes out the human element. Now Jonathan I know you make a lot of Money with the system however MOST people dont make a dime.
Unless you have had great success in other home based businesses and a Ton of Money to "invest" I would steer clear from the Reverse Funnel System. By the way you can purchase and sell the same product through other sources for a lot cheaper than $300/month (which I am NOT doing). The product your buying is Gold Crown Resort sold through Global Resorts Network. |
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said this on 14 Sep 2008 6:23:27 PM EST
Dear Sippo,
My name is Angil Philpo and I spend more than 7000 dollars in this Reverse funnell system. It was the saving of my hall life but I did not make any money with them. This system is a scam. Thanks for your commends |
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said this on 15 Mar 2008 8:59:16 PM EST
Ive seen this attitude a lot from the players of multi-level marketing firms. The truth is Both are correct. The nay sayers and the people who join multi-level marketing. It all depends if you are a taker or a giver. I stay away from the scammers.
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said this on 22 Apr 2008 10:03:34 AM EST
Dear Anne, thank you for the article. Your research and analysis was right on target, you deserve FIVE STARS. This scam is spreading across the internet like a virus. This reminds of the business ad scams posted by Billy Briggs of Cyber Junky, Inc., but just at a much larger scale. I will bet you half a dozen of reverse funnel cakes that there isn't a single person here honestly making a six, five, or possibly not even a four digit figure per month with the scam. For those you that invested into the scam and bashing anne, I started a new business of marketing "Viagra Tooth Paste" and "Birth Control Bubble Gum". Invest now, the pyramid is getting full fast!
Many of you forgot basic home business and need to go back to Home Business 101 :) |
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said this on 16 May 2008 4:58:52 AM EST
Multi-level marketing is ALWAYS a failing venture in the long run. Someone HAS to end up in the lower tiers and only the lucky few early adopters enjoy their beaches and vacations.
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 5:31:03 PM EST
Johnathan- Actually I have had a home based business for 15 years so I'm hardly a novice. I have 20 years as a professional in the advertising business--and that is across all media including the internet. I suspect my experience alone is older, or almost as old, as you are.
It's a typical pyramid business model. Period. I did not say it was a scam because I do not know that to be the case. If you'll notice I left it as a question in the headline for people to decide for themselves. But anyone doing research has to wade through immense propaganda that is flooding the internet from those in THE INNER CIRCLE who directly benefit from the $$ recruits pay to sign up or buy into the membership. I would not expect you to like what I wrote since it is not rah, rah, hyper positive and you are no doubt part of The Reverse Funnel System and have your own website venture and move up as others move in. You'd hardly be an objective party. I have made very clear what is my opinion in this article. I think it's important that those who do choose to get involved know all the facts from those other than the salesmen that benefit before doing so. Many will weigh all these facts and still decide this venture is for them. |
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said this on 10 Jan 2008 12:25:45 PM EST
All the gossip about the "Reverse Funnel System" amaze me. No one even talks about "The Membership" that everyone purchases to get in. It is a wonderful value, allows you to stay at well over 5000 4 & 5 Star Resorts, Condos etc. World-Wide for as little as $298. for up to six people for eight days and seven nights. Tell me that isn't a GREAT DEAL! The Owner of a membership can also save huge amounts on Air Fare, Car Rentals and last but not least Cruises. My Wife & I purchased a membership just for the value of it along and only started to market the memberships later, Why not, you only need to travel for three weeks to make all your money back in savings and you can work on your Vacation and make more than enough to pay for it by sharing the benefits with others you meet while vacationing! Most of the articles that I read don't even have half of the facts correct, and are stated out of context. All I would suggest is that if your Interested to call or email me and I'll give you all the facts and I don't care if you buy a membership or not, cause I'm enjoying mine. Thanks Dennis Barnes 530-237-6532.
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said this on 11 Mar 2008 1:00:16 AM EST
Really? First of all, you dont get to choose the place you stay at just the area. Also i looked into going to some places and did an internet search on the timeshares that it offered and people reviewed most them poorly. Another thing is that people in the Reverse Funnel System are discouraged from selling the vacaton membership and encouraged to only recruit, recruit, recruit. As a matter of fact i posed the question about selling the membership and was told that the Reverse Funnel System was not the best place for it and was given a couple of alternative websites I could market that was more geared toward selling the membership (all of which requiring an additional monthly fee) HMMM I wonder if this is legal, only selling to members?
By the way What is a Reverse Funnel? (a Funnel upside down is a PYRAMID) I wonder why they called it that |
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said this on 15 Mar 2008 2:49:37 PM EST
anne i think you did youre best to describe the oppurtunity, but you lacked in the details. I do agree with you regarding the reverse funnel system. first it is alot of hype and the cost for web hosting is too high the one thing they do have going for them is the product the GRN membeship is exceptional and practically sells itself with or without a "reverse funnel". the main thing to keep in mind is their are much better and cheaper ways to market the product and business oppurtunity and you do not "have" to spend 3 grand to start. i have been doing research on grn for over a month now and the reverse funnel was how i first heard of the oppurtunity. since than i have found a better way with cheaper web hosting and working more direct with GRN hence im always ahead of the curb beacause i get the info first from GRN, i can show anyone who is interested the real best home based business on the web.
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said this on 22 Mar 2008 11:34:47 PM EST
Please, share your knowledge with me. I am interested in "the real best home based business on the web". I tried a few - all scams - and can't afford another costly mistake.
Please, call me at 917-378-4302 - it's always easier by phone. If you can help me with this choice you'll find it very rewarding, I promise! Thanks in advance |
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said this on 05 Apr 2008 4:51:30 AM EST
Hy my name is dan i was allmost to pay that 3000 dollars thinking i could make money but the guy i talked on the phone he was only babbling about how good is advertising the reverse funnel system and not the product,so i told him i worked for 5 years as a bartender for major hotels and i created my self some good connections but no in his words the only thing was how to get more people to join the system,anyway if u have a different way of selling the product please contact me my e-mail is dan_munteanu2005@yahoo.co m
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said this on 16 Apr 2008 12:35:46 AM EST
Pleaseshow me the best home based business on the web, and what aboutthe cheaper and better ways to market as well as not spending 3 grandt to start.
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said this on 09 Sep 2008 9:59:54 PM EST
intersested in home based business
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said this on 27 Mar 2008 1:56:34 PM EST
Would you kindly explain your definition of a "typical pyramid business model." I am neither in total agreement or disagreement with your assessment of RFS or anything else but curious as to how you arrive at some of your opinions. Thanks!
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said this on 13 Oct 2007 6:50:41 PM EST
Great article, very informative and much more detailed than the one I wrote. Same message though, pyramids are a great way for a lot of people to lose money while a few get rich.
And wow Jonathan, taht's shure is some gud grammar and speeling ewe've got goign on thar. |
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said this on 14 Oct 2007 3:11:07 AM EST
Truly a great article and well written to boot. I wonder if Jonathan is getting close to that lounger in Hawaii with his laptop......please people, don't give Jonathan his money for his airfare!! Keep away from this scheme!
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 4:52:39 AM EST
you are ranked #56 on google right now; key words: "REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM". (Unfortunately, your site is making money from this pyramid by the google ads). (Perhaps it is just deserts (sic/snopes.com) for having to research and write). Good job on the analysis. You are only the second critic of REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM that I have found in 5 pages of google.
Brian |
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 10:41:50 AM EST
I spent hours of research and writing time and I will probably make 43 cents from adsense. To date, it's 13 cents. Those in the "system" will filter the site from adwords if they haven't already. I can tell you I did not write it for the money. My ad jobs pay a lot more than this. So unlike a reporter who does get paid, this article fits more in the category of a community service.
It's "Internet Amway" for those old enough to remember Amway. |
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said this on 15 Oct 2007 11:27:00 PM EST
I was curious about this after finding an ad on problogger about this. Thanks for the clear headed approach to the Reverse Funneling System that probably falls into that "too good to be true" areas of life.
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said this on 21 Oct 2007 4:26:39 PM EST
The reverse funnel system is complete BS, don't waste your money on this scam. The only one making money off this garbage is TY and his buddies at the top. Don't fall for this load of horse manure, they will take your money and you'll never see it again.
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said this on 22 Feb 2008 4:24:06 PM EST
Did you do it Mike? If so please tell me more about your experience
Thanks |
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said this on 23 Oct 2007 11:20:21 PM EST
Great article. Saying those things that spinning in my head, and wondering about. I have been doing research on this system (RFS), and thinking it is some kind of like a downline club... asking members to join one program after another. Of course this is not for ordinary people, the price to get into those programs are NOT REALLY affortable by the ordinary people like myself. You are right, the choice to join the program is totally up to the visitors. Just remember, there is no FREE LUNCH in this world ! Thank you. |
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said this on 25 Oct 2007 2:56:32 PM EST
Very fine article.
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said this on 26 Oct 2007 4:39:26 AM EST
Good Article! Im an online entrepreneur, and I thought the article was good. Granted there were some opinionated view points, and generalizations of the industry, but all in all, a good article (blog whatever). Due diligence IS of the ut-most importance in ANY funded proposal, business proposition be it mlm/network marketing/affiliate marketing or traditional "brick and morter" business.
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said this on 30 Oct 2007 4:05:14 AM EST
I'm one of those skeptical of any get rich quick online schemes so I was really curious about this Reverse Funnel System when I couldn't find many bad things about it online. But you know what, if it's a pyramid scheme and people still think they can make money from the trickle at the base of the pyramid, then more power to them. Personally, the spin-off from all the advertising I've been getting on my site for this program makes me love it. Thanks, Ty!!
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said this on 15 Jan 2008 2:54:52 PM EST
whats you site emigre?
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said this on 31 Oct 2007 9:36:00 PM EST
Finally, some true facts about what the main product was, no hype. I also learned exactly how it would work. No thank you
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said this on 02 Nov 2007 3:08:33 PM EST
$200-$300 per month for a web site? Holy moly.
$50 application fee, then charge $200-$300 per month for a website after being a platiumm member $2997 and plus over $100 process fee? anyone can explain? |
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said this on 02 Nov 2007 3:45:40 PM EST
Reverse Pyramid System is no good, but don't take my word for it, check out better business bureau: Global Resorts Network,
they are being investigated for unsubstantiated claims. Don't hold your breath for GRN's response, they will no doubt be outa town soon. Don't let yourself fall for this obvious scam. |
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said this on 29 Apr 2008 5:20:56 PM EST
I don't see anything bad on the BBB or related to your comment. Can you provide a link?
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said this on 04 Nov 2007 6:39:28 PM EST
Thanks for keeping me from making a big mistake.
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